Market Monopolizing

Charles,

I can understand the expectation that one should stick to discussing products sold/endorsed by the particular sponsor in its particular forum within the website and I think it's fair to expect community members to abide by that. A reminder can be posted to please do so out of respect to the sponsors and that the sponsor-moderator reserves the right to delete posts/threads that heavily involve/promote competitor's products. I don't see this as a "hindrance of speech" when I look at it, as you noted, from the paying sponsor's point of view. FWIW,I don't see the need to discuss competitor's products, at least at length, in a sponsor forum.
anytime a new product comes around worth mentioning that is not from a dedicated sponser, its literally pushed a side or simply given an alternative to a product thats carried by one of the sponsers.
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I think this statement is worthy of attention.


As for "open" forum discussions located within general detailing product and process forums, well, if there is an implied expectation that the community should limit discussion to products associated with or endorsed by Detail City, agreeable or not,that decision is the right of the Detail City administrators. If that were indeed the case,( which I DO NOT believe it is) I feel it should be "made official" as well. That way everyone knows exactly what and what not to post about when they visit here.

It was always my assumption that the DC admins have no issue with "open product" discussion with the exception, again understandably, of the sponsor forums.

I don't think there's much to fret about when looked at this way. There seems to be a place here for whatever product discussion one wishes to have.
 
Bill D said:
Charles,

I can understand the expectation that one should stick to discussing products sold/endorsed by the particular sponsor in its particular forum within the website and I think it's fair to expect community members to abide by that. A reminder can be posted to please do so out of respect to the sponsors and that the sponsor-moderator reserves the right to delete posts/threads that heavily involve/promote competitor's products. I don't see this as a "hindrance of speech" when I look at it, as you noted, from the paying sponsor's point of view. FWIW,I don't see the need to discuss competitor's products, at least at length, in a sponsor forum.


I think this statement is worthy of attention.


As for "open" forum discussions located within general detailing product and process forums, well, if there is an implied expectation that the community should limit discussion to products associated with or endorsed by Detail City, agreeable or not,that decision is the right of the Detail City administrators. If that were indeed the case,( which I DO NOT believe it is) I feel it should be "made official" as well. That way everyone knows exactly what and what not to post about when they visit here.

It was always my assumption that the DC admins have no issue with "open product" discussion with the exception, again understandably, of the sponsor forums.

I don't think there's much to fret about when looked at this way. There seems to be a place here for whatever product discussion one wishes to have.
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Thanks Bil.
Actually, I kind of thought that was what I was saying in my original post. :)

Charles
 
Ya know Sean, I don't know that my opinion on that topic is really relevant since I'm not a mod here. All I can say is that when I was a moderator on Autopia I never changed the content of a thread other than the occassional profanity or SPAM link. I don't know that I've ever had any of my posts altered here. I'm sure if it is an issue you are concerned with then Dwayne would be the one to take care of it. When I was an admin on Autopia I could see what every mod was doing. When they go in and edit a thread then a record is kept of it. Dwayne can tell when and who goes into a thread to edit. It won't tell him what was changed, but it will tell him who changed it. I would take issues like that to him. Like with most things, if something got changed then there may have been a good reason for it. However, again, I'm not the most qualified person to comment on that since I don't know what the mods are told to do or not do around here. I just come for the conversation. :)
 
CharlesW said:
I have no idea what you are referring to. PM me, would you?
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Sorry... its probably best to let sleeping dog's rest


CharlesW said:
Don't you feel posting a complaint about a vendor before the vendor is even aware of the problem is a little out of line? Yes, problems happen and all the vendors I have dealt with try to correct those problems if they are given the chance.
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Not at all ...if your intersted ..check out the website for the company I work for. and read all of the bizrate comments! (if your intersted PM me I don't want to advertise for a non contributing company here)

CharlesW said:
Opinions on detailing products are as varied as movie reviews. One reviewer gives it 5 stars, another says save your money. In the case of detailing products, I think most companies do have good products and many of the bad reviews are because the reviewer didn't use the product properly or for its intended purpose.Charles
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Exactly so if this were the case then why should anyone care weather my review was based upon a product I received for free or payed good money for it. If the review was written by someone who knows how to use them properly and has written 100s of reviews in the past what makes 101st so different? Most of the people who are giving Movie reviews on TV news are getting payed BY for example Fox news which is owned by Time warner which is the company a lot of movies are produced a made by ... so there for I should watch this persons review because its biased ... they still review other movies by other film studios .... because its what the Public wants!
 
Focusedonsound said:
Exactly so if this were the case then why should anyone care weather my review was based upon a product I received for free or payed good money for it. If the review was written by someone who knows how to use them properly and has written 100s of reviews in the past what makes 101st so different? Most of the people who are giving Movie reviews on TV news are getting payed BY for example Fox news which is owned by Time warner which is the company a lot of movies are produced a made by ... so there for I should watch this persons review because its biased ... they still review other movies by other film studios .... because its what the Public wants!
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My comments were never in regard to anyone's review or where/how they got the product. Heck, I'm all for free samples. :)
I just didn't feel that DC deserved the "Monopolizing the market" tag. Even the short(?) list I posted should show that isn't true.
As far as the products from the sponsors being given preference by members in their recommendations, that only seems logical since those product are used by many/most of us.
The reference to posts actually being modified by the moderators does concern me, though. I know that the Fuzz will quite often totally destroy a spammers post, but if others are being messed with, that might be worthy of an explanation.
I do know that a lot of the things that happen are the result of situations that most of us are not aware of.

Charles
 
Hey guys,

I have been way too busy monopolozing the market to read Detail City much lately. Gotta monopolize while I'm still young, you know how it goes.

If anyone has any issues with Detail City or the way that it is ran, feel free to contact me by PM anytime.

Thanks!

Dwayne
 
When I became a mod I was told to move things to the right forum and enforce the rules. I was not told to censor discussion about products, and I won't. We are all here to discuss process and product, I look forward to peoples unbiased write ups.

I can only speak for myself, but I do not alter (meaning rewrite) someones post.
I will remove a post if it's a personal attack or spam, or move an entire thread if necessary.
I'm a moderator not an editor


I now return you to your dead horse..I mean thread

Thank you
"J"
 
When I first started here I posted som b&a pics that I did a couple months previously. I wasn't aware of all the etiquette here, and how things worked. I mentioned a product that I have through a dealership I purchased, but is new and not avialable to the general market. I was a little over zealous about the product, and it looked lie I was selling it.
This was spamming, though I didn't know it. I was chastized and my threads erased. :bump I survived, picked up the pieces--actually, it was just fine. I've put it a little time here and know the rules better.

I feel the forum is a privilege, not a right. It is sponsored by some groups--some I've used, some I haven't. There are also google ads I never clicked, and will probably never pay full price for anything. These sponsors rule the forum, but I don't think they have stifled the creativity and discussion. Sure, "PB Rules" is a lot heavier here than anywhere else, I've heard about dozens of products I wouldn't know much about otherwise.

Overall, I appreciate the forum. I doubt it would be this good if it was fully volunteer and non-sponsored. DC has helped me out in really important ways in my business and on my truck. :dcrules IMNSHO.
 
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