Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
Setec Astronomy said:
Until I can do more research, yes...
But when have I ever kept my mouth shut if I can provide valuable (and sometimes wrong
) information 
M95: Heavy Filling/Masking Potenital Alert
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Until I can do more research, yes...
But when have I ever kept my mouth shut if I can provide valuable (and sometimes wrong
) information PresdntialDtail
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TH0001 said:
Thanks! Looking forward to it!
Todd@RUPES
Just a regular guy
I also wanted to clarify something that could be taken the wrong way...
I said "Meguiars is aware of the problem" which could be taken several ways.
But what I meant is that Meguiars is VERY careful in the way they test their products and really go above and beyond. When they recommend their products be used in a certain fashion (i.e. with a rotary on a wool pad) it is because this is the method that worked best in controlled testing.
By using the product outside the recommended method by Meguiars, we are introducing variables that may hamper the performance of the product or cause unwanted reactions.
ie Meguiars recommends using M95 with a wool pad. I used it with a foam cutting pad (by Lake Country) which may have infused more heat on the painted surface which could have directly lead to the filling/masking issue that I encountered. I don't know if that is true, but given the experts at Meguiars have tuned the system and are very open about the proper procedure, the fault doesn't lay with the company but with the person using it (does that make sense?)
On autopia we constantly are altering methods, pads, speeds, mixing stuff together, etc.. we cannot blame products for working outside the very specific conditions they are recommended for.
Perhaps (this is just my thoughts) M95 could be 'tuned' to work better with foam pads, but then they might have to dial out some of the cut (for example, again this is just MY thoughts). Since it was designed to be a heavy cutter, this wouldn't make sense, so Meguiars is very outspoken in the proper way to achieve proper results. I personally wish more companies where as direct as Meguiars, but as long as people like us (always experimenting) are out there, we are bound to find issues with the product as we use it outside its proper range.
I said "Meguiars is aware of the problem" which could be taken several ways.
But what I meant is that Meguiars is VERY careful in the way they test their products and really go above and beyond. When they recommend their products be used in a certain fashion (i.e. with a rotary on a wool pad) it is because this is the method that worked best in controlled testing.
By using the product outside the recommended method by Meguiars, we are introducing variables that may hamper the performance of the product or cause unwanted reactions.
ie Meguiars recommends using M95 with a wool pad. I used it with a foam cutting pad (by Lake Country) which may have infused more heat on the painted surface which could have directly lead to the filling/masking issue that I encountered. I don't know if that is true, but given the experts at Meguiars have tuned the system and are very open about the proper procedure, the fault doesn't lay with the company but with the person using it (does that make sense?)
On autopia we constantly are altering methods, pads, speeds, mixing stuff together, etc.. we cannot blame products for working outside the very specific conditions they are recommended for.
Perhaps (this is just my thoughts) M95 could be 'tuned' to work better with foam pads, but then they might have to dial out some of the cut (for example, again this is just MY thoughts). Since it was designed to be a heavy cutter, this wouldn't make sense, so Meguiars is very outspoken in the proper way to achieve proper results. I personally wish more companies where as direct as Meguiars, but as long as people like us (always experimenting) are out there, we are bound to find issues with the product as we use it outside its proper range.
Just to confirm the title of the thread.
I'm a newbie in detailing, and even more in using a rotary and a cutting compound, any detailing I do is
only for my cars.
M95 was used on my car just last week, with a maroon cutting pad, a couple of panels were sanded with 2000 grit, then the M#95.
I was very happy with the initial results,so I left the car with this step only, topped with nxt wax.
Wondering why any additional steps were recommended,the panels look great, no visible swirls and defects corrected.
After 1 day parked in the sun I was able to see again some of the defects and a bit of swirls from the cutting process.
Last night I went over the panels with more #95 to correct the defects, then with the
yellow polishing pad and M#82, wiped with alcohol/water mix and still looked great.
Topped with one grand blitz carnauba.
I went to see the car after 4 hrs in the sun and it continuers to looks great.
Although I'm still doubtful if the defects were really corrected or just covered.
Anyway, I have read in multiple places that a heavy cutting compound should be followed by polishing,
and I as a newbie thought for 1 day this was not needed given the filling effect from M95.
I'm a newbie in detailing, and even more in using a rotary and a cutting compound, any detailing I do is
only for my cars.
M95 was used on my car just last week, with a maroon cutting pad, a couple of panels were sanded with 2000 grit, then the M#95.
I was very happy with the initial results,so I left the car with this step only, topped with nxt wax.
Wondering why any additional steps were recommended,the panels look great, no visible swirls and defects corrected.
After 1 day parked in the sun I was able to see again some of the defects and a bit of swirls from the cutting process.
Last night I went over the panels with more #95 to correct the defects, then with the
yellow polishing pad and M#82, wiped with alcohol/water mix and still looked great.
Topped with one grand blitz carnauba.
I went to see the car after 4 hrs in the sun and it continuers to looks great.
Although I'm still doubtful if the defects were really corrected or just covered.
Anyway, I have read in multiple places that a heavy cutting compound should be followed by polishing,
and I as a newbie thought for 1 day this was not needed given the filling effect from M95.
Not to start a whole new debate about this...but...M95 contains non-diminishing abrasives which react very different from your standard diminishing abrasives. Products like 105, 95, 86, 205, etc are much more controllable with their cut level. You can use a product like 105 and by using less pressure and/or different pads to achieve more or less cut. Micro abrasives also finish down better given their level of cut. As this is an older thread I assume most of the posters in here have changed their opinions somewhat.
Now, to answer your question. Yes, it is a good idea to finish with a finishing polish and not a compound. M95 is sort of a combo of older and newer. 105 is all new and finishes down better. The major portion of the marring you are seeing is probably from the burg. pad and not the M95. Depending on how deep the swirls you saw are you may or may not have removed them with 82. 82 is VERY light on it's cutting ability. The best option is to look at your car and decide for yourself if it looks up to your standards. If not, then go to something more aggressive than 82. Try 80 on a polishing pad or 205 on a finishing pad if you have access to it.
Now, to answer your question. Yes, it is a good idea to finish with a finishing polish and not a compound. M95 is sort of a combo of older and newer. 105 is all new and finishes down better. The major portion of the marring you are seeing is probably from the burg. pad and not the M95. Depending on how deep the swirls you saw are you may or may not have removed them with 82. 82 is VERY light on it's cutting ability. The best option is to look at your car and decide for yourself if it looks up to your standards. If not, then go to something more aggressive than 82. Try 80 on a polishing pad or 205 on a finishing pad if you have access to it.