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imported_Ivan Rajic

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I just wanted to express my thanks to Meguiar's for making M80 and beg them to keep making it!! I've been using it this year (past 1.5-2 months) every single detail on the rotary for everything from 1 to 4 step and I've been reminded of how much better it is, at least for me, than the Meznerna stuff I replaced it with for a few months last summer/fall... great cutting ability even on Audi clear coar and finishes down pretty much perfect on 89 BMW ss paint... it cleans up well behind M95/M105 and has almost no dust whatsoever... it's VERY user friendly on RO and rotary in that it stays lubricated well, has a 'perfect' working time, and again, no dust, splatter, etc. if used properly (which isn't hard to do).



Simply amazing polish! (No I wasn't paid to say this haha, just figured I'd share my recent experience with an old 'friend')



PS> If anyone knows.. Are the old pads, 8006 and 9006 still being manufactured or no? If not I'll have to do a HUGE order as nothing beats those two pads, nothing.
 
have you compared it to 205? I havent done the comparison yet, but would like to hear some feedback on it...



sorry for the thread jack if you havent
 
lecchilo- Well, I don't get much corrective ability out of it on our Audis via PC/Cyclo, but I agree that it's still very good stuff.
 
Accumulator said:
lecchilo- Well, I don't get much corrective ability out of it on our Audis via PC/Cyclo, but I agree that it's still very good stuff.
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Hey bud, try it with rotary on 8006 pad, maybe even 9006, and follow this procedure:



prime the pad like you would with M105, etc. and KBM... you don't need the whole pad primed as you do with M105/205 but most of it... then just apply an x on the pad about 1/8 thick (very little polish)



2 passes @ 600 with only rotary weight acting as pressure to spread the polish (slowly at about 3-5"/second)

1 pass with some more pressure @ 900 and about 2-3"/second

1 pass with even more pressure @ 1200 and again a bit slower, 1-3"/second

2 passes @ 1500 with a pretty good amount of pressure... this is where all the cutting happens and with M80/8006/9006 the pressure really helps the correcting ability of the combo(s)

1 pass at around 1100-1200 keeping it at 1-2"/second

2 final passes @ 900rpm to refine the finish...



I detailed 2 Audis with M80/8006 this past weekend (1 black 05 and 1 gray 0something haha) and they both turned out great for just a 1-step... no holograms and LSP ready finish...



Give it a shot again when you're bored and you'll be a believer because I did a lot of Audis over the past few years and always went for at least a 2-step because of their hard as a rock paint, but recently turned to M80/8006 and I can see doing a 2-step with M80/8006 and M80/9006 to get the car in pretty much perfect shape... I'll post some pics when I get a chance
 
lecchilo- Yeah, via rotary I can imagine it doing well, I've corrected Audis with milder stuff than #80 via rotary. I just never use my rotaries much any more (since gettng the Flex and M105) and I never did quite get the hang of #80 via rotary :nixweiss The technique you described (good description BTW) sounds similar to what I was doing, but...eh..not like everything works the same for everyone I guess.
 
Accumulator said:
lecchilo- Yeah, via rotary I can imagine it doing well, I've corrected Audis with milder stuff than #80 via rotary. I just never use my rotaries much any more (since gettng the Flex and M105) and I never did quite get the hang of #80 via rotary :nixweiss The technique you described (good description BTW) sounds similar to what I was doing, but...eh..not like everything works the same for everyone I guess.
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Yea that's true... I just like M80 for a 1-step because it really does take care of deeper swirls but finishes down nicely... again, I'll post some pics later when I can
 
i've used #80 as my finl polish for many years.



never having to stray away from it.



what's with all the old school meg threads lately !!



funny how products come full circle and come into vogue again....
 
I'm actually using 80 on a car right now and I'm amazed (again) at how well it works. I'm using it with a rotary and 4" LC white pad, finish is perfect.
 
What amazed me about #80 was how great the cut and finish was on a Ferrari 348 Spider I did last year. Somewhat soft single stage red paint and #80 cleaned up the oxidation, took out 95% of the swirls and left a hologram free finish. Still followed with Ultrafina to be sure, but I'm not sure I reall had to.
 
What I also like about 80 is the playtime you have with it. You can keep going without it drying out on you so quickly. I also agree that on the rotory with 8006-9006 pad you can get great results.
 
I have some M81 ... How does that compare to Men. PO85RD ?? I have not used the M81 in a long time. I don't need correction I am after depth and wet look.
 
Q for you #80/rotary users- Last time I used #80 on the A8 I followed it with a AIO-type product, and I was kinda surprised by how much marring reappeared; it was a lot more concealing than I'd expected. This makes me wonder...what about the chance of concealed holograms?



Since IME the trade secret oils in #80 (or whatever ingredient does it..) can do enough comcealing to hide light holograms, how do you know if you have any of those? I wouldn't want to do some IPA-wipedown as the stuff #80 leaves behind is so nice, and, well, to be honest I won't be finishing out with #80 or anything else by rotary myself, but I did want to ask you guys about this...(ScottWax- I know you handled it with the Ultrafina, but otherwise I just dunno how you could *know* if you had the holograms :confused: )



MDRX8- The #81 Hand Polish is another variation on the Meguiar's "pure polish" theme. It's nonabrasive and, *IMO*, sorta in-between #3 and #7, kinda like Deep Crystal Step #2.
 
Accumulator-pull the car into the sun. I've noticed with Meguiars 80 series polishes that the heat from the sun evaporates the oils pretty quickly. #83 can look perfect right after polishing but 5 minutes in the sun will give you a true picture of the paint...and it isn't so perfect anymore. :(
 
ScottWax- Ah yes, I never think of that as I can't pull stuff out for that long at my place without contamination becoming a serious issue. For people without the problem it'd be a great solution.



Heh heh, and yeah...you've spotted that with #83 too ;) For some reason people often don't expect it with that stuff.
 
Accumulator said:
Q for you #80/rotary users- Last time I used #80 on the A8 I followed it with a AIO-type product, and I was kinda surprised by how much marring reappeared; it was a lot more concealing than I'd expected. This makes me wonder...what about the chance of concealed holograms?



Since IME the trade secret oils in #80 (or whatever ingredient does it..) can do enough comcealing to hide light holograms, how do you know if you have any of those? I wouldn't want to do some IPA-wipedown as the stuff #80 leaves behind is so nice, and, well, to be honest I won't be finishing out with #80 or anything else by rotary myself, but I did want to ask you guys about this...(ScottWax- I know you handled it with the Ultrafina, but otherwise I just dunno how you could *know* if you had the holograms :confused: )
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Scottwax said:
Accumulator-pull the car into the sun. I've noticed with Meguiars 80 series polishes that the heat from the sun evaporates the oils pretty quickly. #83 can look perfect right after polishing but 5 minutes in the sun will give you a true picture of the paint...and it isn't so perfect anymore. :(
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That's one solution I've used but I also do a IPA wipedown Accu just to see what's going on... I also have a few regulars that come back for monthly W&W or weekly washes and I've noticed no holograms... by now I can pretty much tell if I'm going to leave holograms with something that I'm not supposed to, like M80/8006 or 9006 and I'm sure many here can as well... if you hit the paint at the wrong angle or have the pad skip a bit accidentally you just know...



Another thing is, if I'm doing a 1-step, M80/8006 is perfect because even if I do leave a hologram here and there, it'll be hidden for a while with M80 and NXT or another wax, while the paint is at least 80-90% swirl-free and wet like never before... I guess it's one of those compromises when settling for a 1-step but I can't dictate what the client wants...



ps. I did notice the same thing with M83... I would never leave a car 'done' with just 83, even with a 9006 pad.. it's just too aggressive imo
 
lecchilo- OK, gotcha...and yeah, even by non-rotary means the #80 *does* make for a nice one-step correction choice. While I *did* do some more aggressive initial correction, the #80/NXT combo is what I used on my pal's Jag, that utterly amazed people who'd never seen it properly polished before.
 
Accumulator said:
lecchilo- OK, gotcha...and yeah, even by non-rotary means the #80 *does* make for a nice one-step correction choice. While I *did* do some more aggressive initial correction, the #80/NXT combo is what I used on my pal's Jag, that utterly amazed people who'd never seen it properly polished before.
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It is a great combo! If I'm not using KSG it's NXT 2.0... I just always apply too much somehow!
 
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