LSP: Tried many - I just don't see a difference!!!

yakky said:
On someone else's car, yeah, I couldn't tell you what wax was used, but I can see big difference on my own car. For example, NXT looks horrible, it sits on top of the paint and looks like someone put saran wrap on the car. On the other hand OCW makes the paint look drippy wet.



If you don't want to blow a lot of $, a fun experiment is #16 and #26. You will pretty easily notice the difference on light or dark cars.
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so 16 and 26....which one os for dark color and which for light colors. i dont use megs quick yellow wax.....i bought a cheaper alternative to it from TRT, its also called "quick yello wax"



it looks, smeels, feel, and goes on and off JUST like MEGS, and the durability is jsut the same. except i paid $26 for a GALLON of it. take that, meguiars!
 
I have found that some LSPs have a particular characteristic about them that is especially nice. For some, it's a specific look (e.g., Zaino, Klasse, Werkstat), for some its abnormal durability (e.g., Collinite, Zaino), and for some its slickness (Blackfire), water beading (Collinite), etc.



For me, durability is nice, slickness and water beading are preferable, but most important is something that can be used easily and reliably gives a good finish. There are a lot of products out there that are easy to use, but don't necessarily give a reliable finish. I've found this to be true recently with one of the LSPs I use a good bit. There's nothing more disheartening than working all day on a car and having a streaky LSP ruin the whole thing. I have totally written off Collinite pastes because of a couple of horrible wax hologram problems. Werkstat is really pissing me off too with the super fine streaking that it can do in certain conditions. I'm experimenting with Blackfire right now, which seems to be very reliable. I haven't abandoned Werkstat yet...
 
mdgrwl said:
I just don't see a stinking difference and I would like to think I have a pretty discerning eye. If anything, there are SUPER SUPER Subtle difference at VERY VERY best... but I'm starting to think that thats even placebo. :confused:
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Krafcik said:
I agree with you - i just don't see a difference. i've settled on ease of use.
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Rob Tomlin said:
It's funny that we agree that there is not much difference between LSP's, yet you see MUCH more discussion on this forum comparing LSP's than you do polishes. There are much bigger differences between polishes than LSP's, generally speaking.
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wannafbody said:
some people have an uncanny ability to see differences with the same product sold under different labels.
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The Enforcer said:
i agree....all this BS about different waxes and what not. one has "depth"....the other has "warmth"......whatever.....how is freakin paint gonna look warm anyways, come one!
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:werd: I don't put much stock in LSPs and what they actually do for the finish. I reach for the easiest one to use and that's about it.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
^ Which Werkstat product are you getting the fine streaking with?
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I've seen it with AJ, AJT, and even with AG. It looks almost like super fine scratches, like a thousand parallel spiderweb threads, but you can buff it off with a quick detailer. It's only visible in certain light and on darker colors. I've found that it doesn't happen as much if I buff way after I appears to be dry and on surfaces that have a couple of layers and are fairly slick. It never happens with Prime. It probably only happens once every 10-20 applications, but it just pisses me off... :sosad
 
Both SV Concorso and Supernatural are OUTSTANDING waxes and I am sure you won't be disappointed with them but my favorite LSP is Zaino Z2p and Z5p on dark colors.
 
OK, noting that I usually *do* see differences between most LSPs, and so does my wife ("did you put something different on my car? It looks different..")...



mdgrwl said:
I just don't see a stinking difference ...I think I'm getting sick of spending the cash for SUPER MINOR differences that go away after the first rain or wash anyway. I'm so tempted to try Swissvax Concorso & Supernatural but my reasoning side of me think its just going to be a waste of $400 cuz I just wont see the difference.
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If you don't see a difference, then I'd quit thinking about it and I'd sure quit spending money chasing it. Simple as that. Go with that "reasoning side" of you.



If there's something *deficient* about the appearance, then sort that, and only that, out. And if that's the case, IMO it's almost certainly a matter of prep.



[Insert usual rant about the various perils of spending time at Autopia ;) ]



buffer barry said:
Why not just save yourself some money and get something that holds up like [Collinite]
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When I did my pal's showcar with cheap old Collinite 476S, people wanted to know which "exotic wax" was on it :rolleyes: I really loved the "that must be Dodo Juice, I use it too and nothing else looks like that!" :chuckle:
 
Accumulator said:
When I did my pal's showcar with cheap old Collinite 476S, people wanted to know which "exotic wax" was on it :rolleyes: I really loved the "that must be Dodo Juice, I use it too and nothing else looks like that!" :chuckle:
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Classic!!!
 
Rob Tomlin- Yeah, it worked out great that my pal couldn't remember what I used, never having heard of "476S" before, everybody commenting on the car had an opinion and none of 'em were remotely close.
 
I can tell a difference between a few different lsp;'s. For example UPP really looks good on medium to light metallics, even moreso than my fav Z2p does.



I dont use a lsp for its looks though. I use it for how it applys, how it removes, how it feels when my microfiber is wiping down the paint. I use what i use cause it wont stain trim, it lasts a good amount of time, it looks pretty much exactly the same 3 months later as the day i put it on. I will reach for something because i remember how it smelled and miss it. Or how slick something is. Maybe i miss using a QD that compliments it well. Ect ect.



Any of these could make me use a different lsp that day. But i hardly ever reach for something because i think it makes it look a certain way.
 
I have different reasons for using different LSPs on various vehicles, looks being one of them. IIRC I currently have different stuff on all of my vehicles, each one specifically chosen for some reason that's specific to that application.
 
Have you tried a side by side by side by side by side comparison on a single panel? Using natural light and inspecting how it (the Sun) reflects off the paint and looking at object reflections, you can typically discern the minor differences, especially if you have very flaky or especially dark paint. It's easier if your LSPs are fairly different, rather than somewhat similar as I would consider most of your 5 samples. If you can't see differences then, well...I'd trust your gut and save the money. Otherwise, you're just seeing through wallet goggles, which I'm sure we all have suffered from at some point or another.
 
I do see a difference, particularly between something like Souveran and a sealant like UPGP or FK1000P. I like how all of them look, but I prefer the look Souveran gives. I find it much wetter and deeper on my jet black car. And I prefer that look.



Now, do I hardly ever use Souveran? No. I have some but I've only used it once on my black car. The reason? I much prefer the way 1000P protects from water spotting and how easy it makes it to wash the car. I don't really want to screw up that dynamic by topping it with Souveran. Maybe once spring gets here, I'll change things up and start using Souveran again, who knows?



So yeah, like others have said, whether or not you see a difference, there are many other factors that can sway you to one LSP or another.
 
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