Something I probably should mention, and I could be wrong here and it may make no difference whatsoever but goes along with what Anthony stated above. I believe that Andy used the S100 over top of Zaino. That may make no difference whatsoever as I dont know how Zaino tops but I believe that was the scenario.
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TortoiseAWD
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I (and I believe several other regular posters) have tried topping Z with S100. Some liked the resulting look, others saw no improvement, but I don't recall anyone having the problems that Andy described.JayC said:
Tort
I agree that it is kinda suspicious that someone with their first post on a detailing forum make a GLOWING review of a completely esoteric product while blasting everything else. You would expect that someone with the legitimate insight to make those kind of claims would have posted at least once before and not show just up out of nowhere.
I'm sitting out on the Tropicare.
PS - The only way I could see S100 "bleeding" is if you smeared on a thick layer and did not wipe off the excess
I'm sitting out on the Tropicare.
PS - The only way I could see S100 "bleeding" is if you smeared on a thick layer and did not wipe off the excess
Everybody needs to cool off. It's obvious that there are a few people trying to promote Tropi-Care for Steve. That's fine, but don't bash anything else in the process, don't get so defensive about everything, and at least get Steve on here if your talking about his product.
It's all about attitude and approach...
It's all about attitude and approach...
Guess I must just be a "liar"....
Maybe you folks should consider that the Porsche 968 has a non-clear coat finish as opposed to what most of you are likely to have tried it on.
Additionally, it was not applied over the top of Zaino; the Zaino was removed with dawn washed and water/alcohol mix.
I may have chosen that to be my first post, but if you will notice, I have been watching the boards as a REGISTERED member since July 2003....over 7 months of reading everyone else's opinions.
I simply posted my Honest results from using S100 on my vehicle and have several witnesses that can verify...
That post was not intended to build one product up by bashing another.
Very simply put, I have had great results with TC and Zaino and had bad results with others....clearly; someone took that as my calling their baby "ugly".
SCOTT: Since you seem to want to put up a $100. why don't you put a call into your buddy with the Black Lightning (and blue Suzuki) that I watched you detail his at his house while I was there with my Lightning...he TOO can confirm that S100 did indeed "bleed" on the hood of my Porsche...and he is YOUR customer....maybe that give HIM some validity...since clearly I have none until I post (XXX) number of times.
I resent the accusation that because it was my first post that I must be a "plant" or a "liar"...this has now turned into a crap thread that is frankly insulting.
I do not care what product any of you use, I do not get paid or discounts from any product or supplier. PERIOD!
I simply wanted people to know what my experience with other products has been and now this has turned into my being "a liar or a promoter for other products"....PLEASE, I could care less what you use on your auto.
BTW, there are several people that can validate my claim on the "bleeding"...how quick some of you seem to be to start throwing rocks here.
:nono
Maybe you folks should consider that the Porsche 968 has a non-clear coat finish as opposed to what most of you are likely to have tried it on.
Additionally, it was not applied over the top of Zaino; the Zaino was removed with dawn washed and water/alcohol mix.
I may have chosen that to be my first post, but if you will notice, I have been watching the boards as a REGISTERED member since July 2003....over 7 months of reading everyone else's opinions.
I simply posted my Honest results from using S100 on my vehicle and have several witnesses that can verify...
That post was not intended to build one product up by bashing another.
Very simply put, I have had great results with TC and Zaino and had bad results with others....clearly; someone took that as my calling their baby "ugly".
SCOTT: Since you seem to want to put up a $100. why don't you put a call into your buddy with the Black Lightning (and blue Suzuki) that I watched you detail his at his house while I was there with my Lightning...he TOO can confirm that S100 did indeed "bleed" on the hood of my Porsche...and he is YOUR customer....maybe that give HIM some validity...since clearly I have none until I post (XXX) number of times.
I resent the accusation that because it was my first post that I must be a "plant" or a "liar"...this has now turned into a crap thread that is frankly insulting.
I do not care what product any of you use, I do not get paid or discounts from any product or supplier. PERIOD!
I simply wanted people to know what my experience with other products has been and now this has turned into my being "a liar or a promoter for other products"....PLEASE, I could care less what you use on your auto.
BTW, there are several people that can validate my claim on the "bleeding"...how quick some of you seem to be to start throwing rocks here.
:nono
SuperBuick
Member
Thats a spitting image repeat of the stuff that the Zaino Zealots over on LS1.com blab about. Stuff like how all waxes have silicones, all waxes melt off the paint, etc. etc. I have no doubt in my mind that Tropi-Care is a fantastic product, but just because its a sealant that doesn't make all waxes crap. It reminds me of this ludicrous article (Zaino Zealot article) http://smiley.tzo.com/fbody/zaino/docs/carnauba_wax.txt
Concours winners wouldn't use carnauba waxes if they were crap that melted off the paint. End Rant.
-Tom
Andy. You have had several people tell you not to take this personally. The facts are:
People creep onto the site to sell things and it always sounds like an infomercial.
They creep on with 0-3 posts.
They say how "hard" or "ineffective" the benchmark product is.
Aside from your witnesses and your Porsche, not one person has had this experience from S100 (base/clearcoat *or* single stage). In fact, the only problem anyone has with S100/P21S is its relatively short lifespan.
What you have essentially done is said that water is no good for hydration or fire is a terrible thing to cook and heat. With such a sweeping claim running against the swift current of tried and true carnuba users (yes, even with single stage paint), it *does* come off as a sales pitch. Those telling you not to take such things personally mean it. It is possible that you experienced such things for the first time in recorded history. That is not a bad thing. Please just don't expect everyone to take this combination of factors and not intrinsically combine them for the insta-infomercial. Some will and some will not. The off-putting attitude you are exhibiting is not helping you or Tropi-Care.
Note that I don't really care either way. I don't believe you or disbelieve you. I just think getting backed into a corner is no way to prove the effectiveness of a new product.
People creep onto the site to sell things and it always sounds like an infomercial.
They creep on with 0-3 posts.
They say how "hard" or "ineffective" the benchmark product is.
Aside from your witnesses and your Porsche, not one person has had this experience from S100 (base/clearcoat *or* single stage). In fact, the only problem anyone has with S100/P21S is its relatively short lifespan.
What you have essentially done is said that water is no good for hydration or fire is a terrible thing to cook and heat. With such a sweeping claim running against the swift current of tried and true carnuba users (yes, even with single stage paint), it *does* come off as a sales pitch. Those telling you not to take such things personally mean it. It is possible that you experienced such things for the first time in recorded history. That is not a bad thing. Please just don't expect everyone to take this combination of factors and not intrinsically combine them for the insta-infomercial. Some will and some will not. The off-putting attitude you are exhibiting is not helping you or Tropi-Care.
Note that I don't really care either way. I don't believe you or disbelieve you. I just think getting backed into a corner is no way to prove the effectiveness of a new product.
TortoiseAWD
New member
andy,
Go back and re-read your first post. Then stop and think about how many shills we have to deal with here. I'm NOT saying you are one, but again, re-read your post, and look at it from the point of view of a community of people who have NO idea who you are, whether or not you're affiliated with the company, etc. You may just be a satisfied customer, but anyone who sings the praises of a relatively unknown product as their first post (no matter how long he's been registered) is going to come under scrutiny.
Now, everyone just needs to calm down and have some dip.
Tort
(apologies to George Carlin)
Go back and re-read your first post. Then stop and think about how many shills we have to deal with here. I'm NOT saying you are one, but again, re-read your post, and look at it from the point of view of a community of people who have NO idea who you are, whether or not you're affiliated with the company, etc. You may just be a satisfied customer, but anyone who sings the praises of a relatively unknown product as their first post (no matter how long he's been registered) is going to come under scrutiny.
Now, everyone just needs to calm down and have some dip.
Tort
(apologies to George Carlin)
raymond_ho2002
New member
andy_cain said:
A significant number of members have cars with single stage paint, including porsches. I haven't seen this bleeding on my own single stage black paint when I use s100, which has been applied about every two weeks over the past 2 years. I guess you must've had a different experience.
Why didn't you post something about this problem earlier when you experienced it? I'm sure that others here would've been curious about what was going on, and that many would've offered to help.
I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions, but there were a few things about your first post that put me and many of us on the defensive. The reason why i brought up low postcount was that spammers in the past would just spontaneously pop out of nowhere, never having posted before, promoting an unheard-of product, while claiming that other products have given them so much trouble. This melting off phenomenon is completely new to me, and I've never heard of any product doing this.
I sincerely apologize if I am wrong about you. I do hope that you understand our perspective.
GoodnClean
New member
I was contacted to do a test of the Tropicare products and do a small writeup, after this type of reaction I *may* pass on it.
I'll tell you why.
In my experience when a product is really based on the unfounded claims that another type of product is inferior then it really has no merits of its own to be based upon. This is true of a lot of products that we make fun of on here, Dri Wash and Guard etc. Now, looking around the site I don't see any evidence of the type of stance our friend Andy is taking but I don't see anything all that compelling either. It looks just like Zaino and the Zaino website to me.
Andy- Coming on here and making outrageous claims about a product probably 60% of Autopians have used, many professionals, on all kinds of paint finishes inlcuding single stage. I mean, it almost ruined your hood? Come on? I've seen carbuaba wax melt, just wipe it off. People have been using carnuaba wax on cars for over 80 years, carnuaba wax is NOT harmful to the paint finish of an automobile, ANY automobile. Its simply been proven for over eight decades. Your one experience while odd does not negate that 80 years of proof by experience. Your angry to the point of nasty response to our inquiries simply shoots your credibility out of the water.
Nobody here called you a liar, they just wanted more info. You're the one who used the word liar and got defensive.
I'd try it out if I had vehicles other than my own to do the testing on, but at least for now there are other products with a more humble following I'd rather try like Wolfgang and Poorboys EX-P.
I'll tell you why.
In my experience when a product is really based on the unfounded claims that another type of product is inferior then it really has no merits of its own to be based upon. This is true of a lot of products that we make fun of on here, Dri Wash and Guard etc. Now, looking around the site I don't see any evidence of the type of stance our friend Andy is taking but I don't see anything all that compelling either. It looks just like Zaino and the Zaino website to me.
Andy- Coming on here and making outrageous claims about a product probably 60% of Autopians have used, many professionals, on all kinds of paint finishes inlcuding single stage. I mean, it almost ruined your hood? Come on? I've seen carbuaba wax melt, just wipe it off. People have been using carnuaba wax on cars for over 80 years, carnuaba wax is NOT harmful to the paint finish of an automobile, ANY automobile. Its simply been proven for over eight decades. Your one experience while odd does not negate that 80 years of proof by experience. Your angry to the point of nasty response to our inquiries simply shoots your credibility out of the water.
Nobody here called you a liar, they just wanted more info. You're the one who used the word liar and got defensive.
I'd try it out if I had vehicles other than my own to do the testing on, but at least for now there are other products with a more humble following I'd rather try like Wolfgang and Poorboys EX-P.
So let me get this straight? Now you're condemning the product because:
A) The website is nothing special
B) Someone not affiliated with Tropi-Care in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM comes on here making some kind of statements that everyone considers outlandish.
What does that have to do with the product? What does that have to do with Steve at Tropi-Care? Its not like he put this guy up to it or anything. Andy is like myself and the other guy that posted in this thread on the last page, we're just customers that use the product.
I thought everyone would be excited by the fact that I managed to set up a sample kit for a paltry $10.00 shipped. People sure did loose their minds over the WolfGang sample kit but I guess because it was some big detailing outfit sponsoring the Wolfgang kit instead of some nobody like me then it carries more weight.
Steve even offered to send out 1oz bottles of the polish and the car wash FOR FREE and I talked him out of it simply because I thought a 4oz bottle of polish, 1oz bottle of car wash and a mf applicator for $10.00 was a better offer plus knowing how people are here, he would have had 200 requests for the stuff and lost his shirt in shipping.
At this point, I think it's better if most of you DONT test the Tropi-Care because frankly I think all of you guy's judgement would be clouded anyway based off of what 1 person here has caused.
Keep in mind that I was the first person to mention Tropi-Care here. I made no outrageous claims and I have made comments on other products here before and everything has been fine. Ive even had problems with products people here rave about but out of respect for the dealers I have kept it off the forums and tried to resolve it with the manufacturer (Which unfortunately never happened
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Point is, just because 1 person is in here making statements that everyone doesn't agree with doesn't mean this is a bad product and it shouldn't reflect badly on Steve because he has no control over this. If you're going to judge something then judge the product and the guy behind the product, not someone who has nothing to do with the product or the company behind it.
A) The website is nothing special
B) Someone not affiliated with Tropi-Care in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM comes on here making some kind of statements that everyone considers outlandish.
What does that have to do with the product? What does that have to do with Steve at Tropi-Care? Its not like he put this guy up to it or anything. Andy is like myself and the other guy that posted in this thread on the last page, we're just customers that use the product.
I thought everyone would be excited by the fact that I managed to set up a sample kit for a paltry $10.00 shipped. People sure did loose their minds over the WolfGang sample kit but I guess because it was some big detailing outfit sponsoring the Wolfgang kit instead of some nobody like me then it carries more weight.
Steve even offered to send out 1oz bottles of the polish and the car wash FOR FREE and I talked him out of it simply because I thought a 4oz bottle of polish, 1oz bottle of car wash and a mf applicator for $10.00 was a better offer plus knowing how people are here, he would have had 200 requests for the stuff and lost his shirt in shipping.
At this point, I think it's better if most of you DONT test the Tropi-Care because frankly I think all of you guy's judgement would be clouded anyway based off of what 1 person here has caused.
Keep in mind that I was the first person to mention Tropi-Care here. I made no outrageous claims and I have made comments on other products here before and everything has been fine. Ive even had problems with products people here rave about but out of respect for the dealers I have kept it off the forums and tried to resolve it with the manufacturer (Which unfortunately never happened
)Point is, just because 1 person is in here making statements that everyone doesn't agree with doesn't mean this is a bad product and it shouldn't reflect badly on Steve because he has no control over this. If you're going to judge something then judge the product and the guy behind the product, not someone who has nothing to do with the product or the company behind it.
andriver
Detailing Hobbyist
JayC or Andy, do you have any pictures of your vehicles detailed with Tropi-Care? I'd like to see what you guys are talking about.
Yes I do.
Pictures here
I am ashamed at how dirty the glass is on those cars but I was trying to get some pics before the sun went down.
Pictures here
I am ashamed at how dirty the glass is on those cars but I was trying to get some pics before the sun went down.
andriver
Detailing Hobbyist
JayC, nice looking cars. What was your process and what did you like and dislike about the products.
I posted this elsewhere but Ill give you a shortened version here.
The Subaru was clayed a few weeks ago so I didnt bother reclaying it like Tropi-Care's instructions state. Basically the Subaru had a Dawn bath, dryed it with a couple of WWs and applied the polish using a PC and an orange Lake Country pad.
The CRV has never been clayed, never had any sort of cutting compound used on it.. about the only thing ever done to it is it had Poorboy's polish and EX used on it last year and a coat of NXT about a month ago. The CRV I washed using NXT Car Wash, dried it with a WW and a Water Blade and applied the polish with a PC and LC pad.
What I like is that the stuff spreads very easy. Getting a thin coat, even by hand, is very easy. It also comes off with no effort whatsoever. A couple of swipes with a MF and the stuff is gone. It shines very well, on par with about anything Ive used and seems to bead water well as the pictures reflect.
What I didn't like was that is dusted a tad, not much but some. I also have to question the durability only because I don't know how long it will last. I dont have any reason to think it won't have reasonable durability, I just don't know from first hand experience. I know what Steve at Tropi-Care has told me but Im going to base my decision on my own findings and not his, even tho I have no reason to not believe him.
Two weeks ago if you would have asked me what polish/sealant I recommended, I would have told you NXT because I was enamored with the stuff. I have a crapload of it out in my garage now. This stuff is easier to use than NXT and IMO shines as well or better and I suspect will have better durability.
The bottom line is this: At some point every product is new. If you have an unlimited budget and people out there pushing the stuff it's going to probably get accepted easier than a product that some guy is selling by himself out of his house. But, everyone has to start somewhere. I found out about Tropi-Care completely by accident on another forum and decided to give it a try only because I had dealt with Steve in the past and knew what his passion for detailing and detailing products was like. This guy eats, drinks and sleeps detaling.
I could go on and on about this because frankly Im a little disappointed in the way this product has been recieved here. I do see both sides of things, tho and I can completely understand. My gripe, however, is that now the product is being judged based on a 3rd party who has nothing to do with it whatsoever. What's to stop Brand X polish guy from creating an account next time Brand Y polish guy comes out with a new wax and doing this exact same thing here and causing the same problems?
Not to say I think that happened here, just an example and why Im frustrated that the product is not being judged on it's own merits but now by uninvolved 3rd partys.
The Subaru was clayed a few weeks ago so I didnt bother reclaying it like Tropi-Care's instructions state. Basically the Subaru had a Dawn bath, dryed it with a couple of WWs and applied the polish using a PC and an orange Lake Country pad.
The CRV has never been clayed, never had any sort of cutting compound used on it.. about the only thing ever done to it is it had Poorboy's polish and EX used on it last year and a coat of NXT about a month ago. The CRV I washed using NXT Car Wash, dried it with a WW and a Water Blade and applied the polish with a PC and LC pad.
What I like is that the stuff spreads very easy. Getting a thin coat, even by hand, is very easy. It also comes off with no effort whatsoever. A couple of swipes with a MF and the stuff is gone. It shines very well, on par with about anything Ive used and seems to bead water well as the pictures reflect.
What I didn't like was that is dusted a tad, not much but some. I also have to question the durability only because I don't know how long it will last. I dont have any reason to think it won't have reasonable durability, I just don't know from first hand experience. I know what Steve at Tropi-Care has told me but Im going to base my decision on my own findings and not his, even tho I have no reason to not believe him.
Two weeks ago if you would have asked me what polish/sealant I recommended, I would have told you NXT because I was enamored with the stuff. I have a crapload of it out in my garage now. This stuff is easier to use than NXT and IMO shines as well or better and I suspect will have better durability.
The bottom line is this: At some point every product is new. If you have an unlimited budget and people out there pushing the stuff it's going to probably get accepted easier than a product that some guy is selling by himself out of his house. But, everyone has to start somewhere. I found out about Tropi-Care completely by accident on another forum and decided to give it a try only because I had dealt with Steve in the past and knew what his passion for detailing and detailing products was like. This guy eats, drinks and sleeps detaling.
I could go on and on about this because frankly Im a little disappointed in the way this product has been recieved here. I do see both sides of things, tho and I can completely understand. My gripe, however, is that now the product is being judged based on a 3rd party who has nothing to do with it whatsoever. What's to stop Brand X polish guy from creating an account next time Brand Y polish guy comes out with a new wax and doing this exact same thing here and causing the same problems?
Not to say I think that happened here, just an example and why Im frustrated that the product is not being judged on it's own merits but now by uninvolved 3rd partys.
GoodnClean
New member
Jay- I'm not at all condemning the product, I don't condemn products that I've used and do not like, let alone products that I have yet to use at all.
My one and only point was that when a product generates the type of response we've seen here from this guy *I* tend to stay away from it. In my experience when the prepwork is there basically anything you use is going to look fantastic, when something thats a LSP generates this type of "Its all there is...on earth" response its more an illusion than reality. Its because of this that I have no desire to go back and try Zaino. Plenty of other products on earth that don't kill a room or start a war when someone mentions their name. NXT for instance is one of those products, and I felt it got enough good reviews on here from people I trust and respect as fellow detailing enthusiasts for me to give it a try. Not the case for Tropic-care, YET.
For free the price is certainly right, but I'd rather pay for it later when I have some real world results to work with than have it for free now and be a guniea pig.
No insult to the product intended at all.
My one and only point was that when a product generates the type of response we've seen here from this guy *I* tend to stay away from it. In my experience when the prepwork is there basically anything you use is going to look fantastic, when something thats a LSP generates this type of "Its all there is...on earth" response its more an illusion than reality. Its because of this that I have no desire to go back and try Zaino. Plenty of other products on earth that don't kill a room or start a war when someone mentions their name. NXT for instance is one of those products, and I felt it got enough good reviews on here from people I trust and respect as fellow detailing enthusiasts for me to give it a try. Not the case for Tropic-care, YET.
For free the price is certainly right, but I'd rather pay for it later when I have some real world results to work with than have it for free now and be a guniea pig.
No insult to the product intended at all.
andriver
Detailing Hobbyist
JayC, thanks for your thoughts. What is your opinion about durability? I want to thank you for your review. Who knows, I may give Tropicare a try.