Lets have some fun......

merci said:
Since there is no limit to the refills, can't someone in autopia buy one and send out samples? He could even re-sell it every time a refill comes in :D
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I already considered doing this - buy one jar, decant into another container, send back for refill! Unfortnately, if you read the small print, I think you're limited to one refill per year...



Ben
 
I knew this thread would be fun, I'm coming out with a private label wax that will cost only $100 a jar, and if you order more than 5 at a time, I will discount it 5 bucks? what a deal eh?
 
whitestang00 said:
Wow... i could just imagine myself being seen by neighbours rubbing my car all over with my hands... They already think I'm a damn nut for spending all the time working on cars... :D
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I wonder if they do a metal polish for the exhaust tips ? now that would look strange ... ;)
 
SVR said:
And Zymol is owned by turtle wax now If my memory serves me correctly
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Zymol has a low profile (but high volume) marketing deal with Turtlewax but tries not to talk about it and keeps it’s distance as much as possible.





PC.
 
SVR said:
And Zymol is owned by turtle wax now If my memory serves me correctly
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I have noticed, ever since I first arrived here, that Zymol appears to be the local whipping boy. Why this is the case is a question indeed.



First of all....Zymol is not owned by Turtle Wax. This is a misnomer as there are certain bottom-of-the-line Zymol products that are re-labeled TW products which have been licensed. Apparently, this association has been enough fuel for the misinformed to start such rumours without bothering themselves with annoying things like facts or foundation.



While I will also admit that I think that $1500 waxes are more than a bit extravagant, I fail to understand why everyone should take shots at Zymol for offering them. If you owned a company and found that once or twice a year you might run across someone who loves your products so much they are willing to throw money at you......would you refuse them? I hardly think so. So...are we to leeringly take shots at you as well for taking advantage of such windfalls?



The $1500 example above is only one of several items in their 'Estate Glaze' line....the most expensive of the lot, to be sure. They do, though, have others not quite so pricey. And, beyond these, there are other waxes offered by Zymol which are indeed quite reasonable. And they are not bad products at all.



If one should bother to take the time to do a search, one will find that there are others hereabouts who also have had good things to say about Zymol's more real-world offerings.



Myself, I have used their Creame, Carbon, Titanium, and Concours waxes and have found them to be well worth the price paid. The latter two of which I would place against Souveran at any time and at any place. Titanium, in particular, will give every bit the shine and look of Souveran and will outlast it by months. It is a bit more work to apply but, done properly, will reward you handily for your efforts.



By 'applied properly' I do NOT mean applied by palm and hand. Even Zymol, when pressed on the matter, will tell you that one needn't muck about with such things to get good results. I will admit I tried it once for the fun of it....and felt pretty silly doing it. However, I must admit that doing it in this manner did help to apply it thinly and not waste any extra. However.....I've not tried this method since and feel no need to in future. But it was interesting the time that I did.







....BH
 
Out of curiosity, which of their reasonably priced (< $100) paste waxes would you recommend for:



My black Merc?



My slightly dark silver Lotus?



After receiving your recommendations, I wouldn't mind trying a few samples. Never tried Zymol products before. Would also like to try Swissol.



- J
 
BottleHead well stated.



Justin, try the sampler kit for $107. You mentioned sample, in this kit you get 4oz. of Carbon, Concours, and Destiny. You can try a 2 Estate waxes and one regular wax.
 
And the Zymol argument rages on.....and on.....:D



In the UK, Zymol's cheapest wax is around £70 (so circa $140) which is at least twice what I paid for my Souveran - would Zymol give "twice" the performance? By this I mean deeper, wetter optics, longevity (not that durability counts much for me with any carnuaba topper).



I met a Zymol retailer yesterday and he asked me what I thought - I gave a guarded opinion (remembering that this guy is a client of mine) and the bottom line is that if someone's prepared to pay this kind of money for a wax, he will.



However, from what I've read (high end owners' clubs), we have a Zymol Zealot situation developing rather rapidly, in that those who swear by it also state quite categorically that you can only use the Zymol line of products - anything else is inferior, harmful to your paint blah blah.



A neighbour had truly dreadful issues with his new M3 and the BMW dealer Zymol treated it - at a cost of £350. Still swirled although a deep wet shine was apparent. Now I accept that this is probably down to very poor prep as opposed to product but he was told all sorts of rubbish about what you "can" and "can't" do with paintwork.



In summary I genuinely believe that Zymol are marketing masters as they've persuaded people (in the UK at least) that their waxes "won't remove paint" and "don't seem to transfer paint from your car to your cloth" - and my Nattys, P21S, Signature & Souveran & Collinite will????? :mad:



BTW those quotes came directly from a Zymol authorised dealer/detailer



They're using a lack of knowledge/detailing obsession to convince people that Zymol is "the best" without any genuine back-to-back comparison to back this up - I say if your product's the best, prove it, especially if you want me to spend £70 plus on just the wax (that's before the £12 MF's and £20 plus clay lube...)



Sorry, a bit of a rant but the Zymol/Swissol thing kinda gets under my skin
 
I agree that brand devotion to that degree is not healthy.



A friend who is in the buisness feels a Swissol wax he uses for over $100/can is worth it to him. He doesn't sell the stuff and says it's slightly better than the P21S he does sell. So no real motivation to lie to me, but he admits the incremental improvement is not 3X.
 
those who intentionally misinform others because they sell any particular line of products really irks me-just stating my opinion
 
AndyC_1 said:
In the UK, Zymol's cheapest wax is around £70 (so circa $140) which is at least twice what I paid for my Souveran - would Zymol give "twice" the performance? By this I mean deeper, wetter optics, longevity (not that durability counts much for me with any carnuaba topper)......



.......In summary I genuinely believe that Zymol are marketing masters as they've persuaded people (in the UK at least) that their waxes "won't remove paint" and "don't seem to transfer paint from your car to your cloth" - and my Nattys, P21S, Signature & Souveran & Collinite will????? :mad:



....BTW those quotes came directly from a Zymol authorised dealer/detailer.......
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I'll not argue that Zymol is clearly more adept at marketingspeak than many of their competiton. It is undoubtedly what makes them able to offer a $1500 formulation with a straight face. But, again, who am I to bear them ill will should they be able to be successful in the matter upon the odd occasion?



I suspect that there might be a distinction needing to be made in claims of the company versus claims of an individual, although licensed as a dealer, made up on the fly in the interest of sales. Not that I forgive such drivel....I don't. Such antics are reprehensible at best. Such fools should be brought to task for their sins immediately wherever (and whenever) they show themselves.



While I grew up in Kensington, I have been in the States for a great many years now. I was not aware the UK mark-up was so great. The more real-world Zymol products such as Creame and Carbon run a bear $40 (roughly £21) on this side. Which makes them about half the price of Souveran. They won't quite yield the Souveran look....but they'll come close, be more durable, and will likely please for the money.



Their Titanium, which I wouldn't hesitate to put against Souveran, is priced here at almost the same level...actually a small amount less.



No....I would agree. Priced at $140, I probably would not be so quick to wave their flag. While I am obviously a fan of Zymol, I'm not rabid about it. But, I do find it troubling when I read numerous comments of those who know nothing of them other than they offer a $1500 wax and ...based solely upon this single item and an unfounded rumour or three.... have sneeringly dismissed the entire line out of hand. ESPECIALLY when some of those label themselves as 'professionals' and are among the most lemming-like of the lot.



....BH
 
Zymol has a manufacturing and distributing contract with TW for some of their products.



A $1500 wax isn't for the general public, just like a $20000 turntable isn't for the general public. My feeling is that if someone is in the position to afford that much for a car wax, and is actually considering doing it, then I say it is someone else's responsibility... no, duty to relieve him of that $1500. Heck, I wish it could be ME.



Edit: I have a jar of Japon that someone gave me. IMO, it has a nice look; the Souveran comparison is definitely warranted. Souveran is easier to apply, but the Japon might be old--it seems dry.





Tom
 
"Myself, I have used their Creame, Carbon, Titanium, and Concours waxes and have found them to be well worth the price paid. The latter two of which I would place against Souveran at any time and at any place."



I've tried all the Zymols and I simply and politely disagree that they match Souveran's quality on either dark or light colored cars.



They get some abuse on this board for the same reason Griot's does...there waxes are not as high a performance as many boutique brands and prices are outrageously high. I frankly think this is a sign that many on the board community with Zymol experience were disappointed in the results like I was.



I still have a jar of their NSX was in the garage but I have moved on...
 
When you pay so much for stuff you expect miracles. Thats the reason Zymol gets a bad rap. IMO (which is limited since I have only used Carbon) Zymol waxes are good at shine on well prepared surfaces. The only problem is that you can get similar results with products that are cheaper ie S100. Zymol is also notoriously known to not last that long. So it makes me and other wonder why am I paying so muchg for this stuff. I have come to the conclussion that no wax is worth over $50 a can. The subtle differences between Souvern and P21S is just not worth double the price. With many Zymol stuff over $100 it makes the value even worst. Could Zymol be better than what many consider the best Souvern? Sure it can, but is it worth the extra money. The only way Zymol is gonna get my $1000 or more is if it shines better Souvern and last for more than 2 year, and protect against swrills. Pipe dream sure, thats why I don't buy overly expensive waxes. Of course the funny thing is that I contradict my self in the value catagory by purchasing over priced cars like Mercedes and Porsche. We all know a Chevy or a Toyota can get us from point A to B just as good. ( maybe not as fun or as comfortable)
 
SilverLexus said:


I've tried all the Zymols and I simply and politely disagree that they match Souveran's quality on either dark or light colored cars.



I still have a jar of their NSX was in the garage but I have moved on...
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If the former is true....then you should have jars of all the Zymol products in the garage. I'll forward you an address and you are most welcome to send them my way.







....BH
 
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