Layering- Go By Your Own Observations

I've got some news for Accumulator and anyone interested in this topic: Some cleaner waxes layer as well. Not as well as a pure wax, mind you, but some I've witnessed as having some collecting ability. With my first car years back I used to use Gliptone carnauba wax (really goin' back in time), which had some cleaning agents in it (surprise......many lsps have cleaners in them!). I never polished that car, and the day came that when I tried to apply another coating of the wax on it, I saw that the paint was so dull that it just didn't seem right putting wax on it. I compounded that surface with a hand polishing compound (a little primitive but it got the job done) and to my surprise, that 12 yo paint was more vibrant than I ever witnessed from it! Years of "just waxing" can dull your paint surface if you do not provide some cleaning to it- just a simple paint cleaning every once in a while will do wonders for you.
 
lbls1- Yeah, some of those products that "shouldn't layer" do for me too. Cleaners and even (mild) abrasives aren't always the deciding factor.



And I've gotten that "yellowy wax build up" just like in the old floorcare commercials :D I cleaned it off with very gentle stuff (that wouldn't fix oxidation/etc.) and just like you I found nice shiny paint underneath.
 
Accumulator said:
and just like you I found nice shiny paint underneath.
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heehee..nice shiny paint!?!?!?!



Time to get______________ *Heh Heh*





PS: Now really...........you really didn't expect a thread without my teasing did you??? (laughing until my belly aches!!!)
 
lbls1- Heh heh, about the only time I think about doing anything with the Jag is when you tease me about trying...you-know-what :chuckle:



One of these days I'll clear a spot in my garage, or my mechanic will want to clear some floorspace in his shop, and I really will get that thing out of mothballs...and *then* we'll just see what I end up doing with it :D



Eh...I'm always spending so much time on the daily drivers that I really don't think about playing with that car except when my Jag club buddies tease me about always driving non-Jags for the Club events :o
 
fk1 1000p layers as long as you are *really* careful that you don't use much mechanical action when you are applying second and subsequent coats. Too much rubbing, and the freshly applied solvents will re-desolve your previosly applied coat(s).



That's probably a pretty good rule of thumb for all LSP second coats: use very little pressure and rubbing. Just enough to get the stuff applied.



On the other side of the coin, there's quite a few products *I* can't get to layer, but it's probably just me.
 
SuperBee364 said:
fk1 1000p layers as long as you are *really* careful that you don't use much mechanical action when you are applying second and subsequent coats. Too much rubbing, and the freshly applied solvents will re-desolve your previosly applied coat(s)..
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Ah, that's good to know. I might be working with FK1000P soon and I want to do it right so I'll try to be as gentle as possible.



Do you use a dry/damp/damp with FK425/what? applicator?



I've only used it on wheels and don't really have a frame of reference to know whether it layered or not. I *think* it did, based on the longevity, but I didn't do any controlled testing.
 
Layering does not have any scientific data, or similar proof to make a big argument for it. :nixweiss:nixweiss



But for me it does. I see a difference appearance, more protection, and a feel*, that is different than one layer. :cool:
 
silk said:
Layering does not have any scientific data, or similar proof to make a big argument for it...
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But if two applications (you need at leat two on each test area in order to have equalized starting times) only last a couple months or so, and six layers last over a year, and the difference between the two is dramatically obvious, isn't that sufficient proof?
 
Accumulator said:
But if two applications (you need at leat two on each test area in order to have equalized starting times) only last a couple months or so, and six layers last over a year, and the difference between the two is dramatically obvious, isn't that sufficient proof?
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It is for me, and I have seen the advantages as you just stated.



However, you then get into -- what denotes protection, etc.. I know 6 layers of 476 will outlast 2 layers, but then there have been some members on Autopia who have claimed only a few weeks protection out of Collinite:confused:
 
What about spray waxes? Something like FX spray wax or OCW doesn't contain any solvents to soften it , well I don't think they do, so shouldn't these waxes layer?

I really don't know, but let me be the first to bring up the spray wax question.
 
silk said:
..you then get into -- what denotes protection, etc.. I know 6 layers of 476 will outlast 2 layers, but then there have been some members on Autopia who have claimed only a few weeks protection out of Collinite:confused:
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Yeah...some people here seem to really enjoy :argue about that one! I use the "whatever characteristic you value changing in a negative way" standard. As soon as something has changed for the worse I'm usually unhappy enough about that to redo the product in question.



With KSG it's pretty simple as you can clearly *feel* it on the vehicle..like a plastic coating. I usually redo it when it quits beading (changes to sheeting) which is *long* before it's dead. At that point you can still feel it on there.



And I'm one of those people when it comes to Collinite :D I've had experiences at both extremes; from over a year to only a few weeks :nixweiss I simply can't explain it. My experiences with 845 vary more often than those with 476S though.
 
I do think one key to being able to layer a wax is to do it by hand with a foam applicator. No buffing with you MF - just enough pressure to remove quickly. Only apply lightly and remove quickly so it comes off easily. This works best with waxes with fillers in them. Even with this method, I have not been able to notice a pure carnauba like P21S 100 layering visually, but you can see it with synthetic/carnauba blends if you wax often with the above method. Over time the depth of the finish on the hood will get noticeably thicker. The hood is th easist place to tell.
 
Spit-shining can work wonders with waxes that "don't layer". If Nick T.'s old thread is still around here, he used P21s that way with great results.
 
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