Layering BF deep gloss sealant

At the risk of once again being a [jerk], I *am* gonna repeat that I`m no Pro. Eh, sorry to belabor that, but I have *so much* respect for anybody who does this stuff professionally that I`m always compelled to say that. I`m simply not time-efficient enough to be a Professional Detailer and I lack the enthusiasm for Detailing that I assume Pros must have.

I agree completely about that "do no harm"! That`s a big part of why I post much of what I do/don`t advocate.

Since I`m in a self-deprecatory mood, some of my most egregious detailing mistakes include:

-Damaging paint by not knowing when to say when
-Melting stuff with a steamer
-Marring paint by not thinking through the basic mechanics of this stuff

AND...

-Listening to somebody else instead of figuring it out for myself, preferably ahead of time

That last one is the burr under my saddle that got me going in the first place.

I am gonna keep reminding myself that whenever I think I oughta rant about something I should just step away...Different people find different stuff helpful/not and I keep forgetting that. OK, back to the topic at hand.

Layering BF? I have limited experience with BF, but multiple applications of their Gloss Enhancing Polish did seem to provide better filling of light marring and multiple application of All Finish Paint Protection (~24 hours apart) lasted longer for me than just one, but not all that much.

I never tried topping BFAFPP with wax, but BF claimed it`d be OK and IIRC that`s part of their current Full System. It was suggested that Collinite 845 might be too high in solvents to be safe, but I can`t recall it having ever messed up anything I applied it over, not even light glazes that I suspected might be vulnerable to solvent action. But of course YMMV always applies and it`d be a shame for somebody to mess up a fresh coat of LSP by trying to improve it with such stuff (somebody here once messed up Collinite by topping it with Souveran of all things...ya just never know).

Short Version of Layering Test:

-Prep entire panel uniformly
-LSP entire panel
-ReLSP test portion of panel
-ReLSP entire panel (to equalize Start Times of testing period)
-Observe and draw conclusions; if desired, rework application method and reevaluate

I should`ve just posted that in the first place if I couldn`t stay quiet.
 
Accumulator you`re not sounding like a jerk. Hearing everyone`s opinions, And how they do, or don`t do things is a good thing. I`m good with hearing debates on subjects. As long as things are civil, all is good in my book.
 
Dodo juice did a layering test with a couple colored waxes on a white hood. For them it showed “proof” that more layers made it indeed darker in color compared to the previous layer.

Problem is each and every “wax” and “sealant” out there has a different make up. Well except for ones that are relabeled but that’s a whole different thread. So one may indeed have a bit too much solvent to layer very effectively. There could be a curing time factor etc.


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I have been previously told that curing time is very important if you are planning to top a sealant with a wax as I do. Is this still correct information? The specific products that I use are Wolfgang 3.0 sealant and Collinite 845.
Jay
 
Never Enuff said:
I have been previously told that curing time is very important if you are planning to top a sealant with a wax as I do. Is this still correct information? The specific products that I use are Wolfgang 3.0 sealant and Collinite 845.
Jay
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That`s the exact combo I used just on a fender and I couldn`t tell any improvement.
 
Never Enuff said:
If there is no improvement in the depth or gloss do you believe that there will be added protection and/or longevity?
Jay
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I was shooting for a change in appearance for the better as I already have longevity from the sealant. Not looking for added longevity as I expect to be re-applying sealant in 4 - 6 months from now.
 
My problem seems to be that after I use that combination, I wash the truck almost weekly and after every wash I use Opti Spray Car Wax on it and then about once a month I put on PA High Gloss in it. I have no way to check the longevity of any of the products individually using this process. The High Gloss sure seems to make a difference in gloss and depth however.
Jay
 
Never Enuff said:
My problem seems to be that after I use that combination, I wash the truck almost weekly and after every wash I use Opti Spray Car Wax on it and then about once a month I put on PA High Gloss in it. I have no way to check the longevity of any of the products individually using this process. The High Gloss sure seems to make a difference in gloss and depth however.
Jay
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Exactly what I do and sometimes I wash twice a week. The Sapphire Blue doesn`t show much improvement with anything I use. Could be that I`ve always take care of it from the get go. Now on the other hand the chili red Mini always shows improvement with most products. Wash followed by a spray wax always makes the Mini pop.
 
If you are planning on using something like Opti SprayWax weekly or monthly as a drying aid / topper then using both BFWD and Colli 845 is overkill and really a waste. In that case I would use whichever one is easier or you like better then use your topper regularly. I’ll liked BFWD and 845 but I usually had better looks with BFWD as I found 845 to be really bright and “blingy”.
 
TroyScherer- You bring up a good point there, many "sealants" look more "wax-like" than some "waxes".

Never Enuff said:
I have been previously told that curing time is very important...
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It certainly can be! Messing up the underlying product can move you back a few processes right when you thought you were almost finished!

I`m always skeptical/cynical about the "24 hours" standard, just sounds like a BS-that-sounds-good type of answer, but I still usually do that anyhow :o Or at least, I figure it`s likely to be an acceptable minimum (though KSG doesn`t need that long IME).
 
Never Enuff said:
The 24 hour thing was made up by an old guy like me so our arms rest up before the next process.
Jay
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Or an old guy like *me* who wanted an excuse to quit detailing for the day ;)

But OTOH, Ron K. is older than I am, and he says I could layer FK1000P much quicker if I did it right. Well, his version of "right"...which may very well be better than what I`m doing/gonna do.
 
TroyScherer said:
... I usually had better looks with BFWD as I found 845 to be really bright and “blingy”.
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Me too Troy. And to the contrary, insofar as depth, I see an improvement by using something like Pete`s 53, Lusso Oro, Blue Velvet, or P21S over top of sealant (after proper cure time).
 
Accumulator said:
Layering BF? I have limited experience with BF, but multiple applications of their Gloss Enhancing Polish did seem to provide better filling of light marring and multiple application of All Finish Paint Protection (~24 hours apart) lasted longer for me than just one, but not all that much.

I never tried topping BFAFPP with wax, but BF claimed it`d be OK and IIRC that`s part of their current Full System.
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At the end of December, I applied BF`s Gloss Enhancing Polish(GEP) to the wife`s Kia (just the rear so far). I followed that up with BFAFPP. After the wipe off, I let it sit for close to 24 hrs, give or take. I then went over it with BF`s Midnight Sun (BFMS) paste wax.

I plan on doing the same to the rest of the car. Eventually.

After reading Accumulator`s post, I wondered if I could do a test on the hood. The whole thing covered in BFAFPP, and only do half with the BFMS. Not sure that would really work in my case, as I plan to maintain it with BF rinseless and BF Waterless washes. Those two products surely will leave stuff behind.
 
JustJesus said:
..After reading Accumulator`s post, I wondered if I could do a test on the hood. The whole thing covered in BFAFPP, and only do half with the BFMS. Not sure that would really work in my case, as I plan to maintain it with BF rinseless and BF Waterless washes. Those two products surely will leave stuff behind.
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If you weren`t already planning to, I`d give the no-wax side another coat of BFAFPP so the Start Times are somewhat equalized.
 
MattPersman said:
Heck it would be nice if they all made a 2 or 4 oz sample size for like 5-10 bucks instead of buying these big bottles that never get used up by the average person


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you want black ice or midnight sun paste? I have some 30ml makeup containers I can send you some, hell I can send you a wet ice over fire sample kit, lol
pm me
 
Accumulator said:
But OTOH, Ron K. is older than I am, and he says I could layer FK1000P much quicker if I did it right. Well, his version of "right"...which may very well be better than what I`m doing/gonna do.
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We all know Ron has a different LSP under every finger. He is the King, after all.

Waste not, want not
But waste wax for wantoness of more shine :)

I`m a chilled spray and gloss guy myself
Solvents beware, haha


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512detail said:
We all know Ron has a different LSP under every finger. He is the King, after all...
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Eh, my bad for not differentiating between my Rons :o

I meant a different Ron- Ron Ketcham/Ketch/Grumpy, ex of FK and AI/VG and the most inside-the car industry guy I`ll ever know. Currently MIA here but he emails me now and then and I respect him something fierce even though we don`t always see eye-to-eye on everything.
 
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