Layer P21S or EX

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There is probably some sort of saturation point. I know when I first joined Autopia, I was doing something to my car every week. But now that I have been here a while, I do the minimum I need for the car to meet my standards, and call it good.



But I still get plenty excited if someone brings over a car I like, or one that is "appearance" challenged. :p
 
Does anyone know whether EX passsed the CD test? I really like it, but I don't want to use it if it is in any way abrasive, as I do put on a coat every three to four weeks.
 
Detail King: A lot of words. I am hesitant to say NONSENSE, but from my own experience, Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection works just fine when applied over (the OILY) Megs #81.
 
Gadfly said:
Detail King: A lot of words. I am hesitant to say NONSENSE, but from my own experience, Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection works just fine when applied over (the OILY) Megs #81.
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Platinum isn't a "pure" resin sealant either. Platinum contains oil(lots of it), which is why it can be applied over other products that contain oil. (Like wax over a glaze) For an explanation on if that product actually crosslinks to the surface, read DK's post again.
 
ShowroomLincoln: I did read DK's post. That is why I responded. Where did you, or DK, get your degree in organic chemistry with a specialty in polymetric function? Further, what is your definition of a "pure" resin sealant? Come on, guys. What works - works!
 
geekysteve and BW...



I'm interested in reading the results of your respective tests. Any chance you'll be sharing them in the future? or if you've got them typed up, maybe drop me an email?



I haven't been here long... but I've been on some others for a bit... threads like this (actual thought and no flaming) seem to be getting rarer.
 
Bill is acutally a engineer in the chemical processing industry, why don't you ask him about his degree, I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you. :rolleyes:



My definition of a "pure" polymer sealant is one that has NO OIL, silicone, mechanical abrasive, or wax, and uses functional resins with water or solvent carriers. Typically contains less than 10% solvent for best layering properties.



I was wondering how long it would take before this thread would lose it's civil tone, and take the path of "Your post is Nonsense". Seems now I have my answer. :rolleyes:
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
Bill is acutally a engineer in the chemical processing industry, why don't you ask him about his degree, I'm sure he'll be happy to tell you. :rolleyes:



I was wondering how long it would take before this thread would lose it's civil tone, and take the path of "Your post is Nonsense". Seems now I have my answer. :rolleyes:
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I think this is one of the main reasons why we don't get threads like this anymore. Someone always jumps in with some sort of insult, and empirical evidence that "I have seen it, therefore it works".



I think I lot of the RESPECT shown by the older members of Autopia is what made it so great. C'mon guys, someone who was a mod, and has over 2000 posts, must have some basis for making a point. Questioning his education, and then finding out that he does in fact, have a degree in that area, is just going to leave you with egg on your face.
 
ShowroomLincoln said:
Platinum isn't a "pure" resin sealant either. Platinum contains oil(lots of it), which is why it can be applied over other products that contain oil. (Like wax over a glaze) For an explanation on if that product actually crosslinks to the surface, read DK's post again.
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Please quote your source for the "oilyness" in Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection.
 
Wow my little question has turned into something way bigger. I guess I will have to think more before posting a question to not get this kind of thing started again. Touchy Subject I see.
 
Let's keep this thread thoughtful and respectful. Express ones knowledge, experiences and ideas. Let us not get into a challenge one post type of deal. There may be no absolute definitive answer to this oil/wax/sealant/polymeric durability question. Nevertheless, it was fun throwing out theories and possible explaination why this dilimma even exist. This type of exchange is what made Autopia so interesting in the past.

How to use a PC and which wax/sealant/resin gives the best shine becomes a little boring after continually seeing these questions. We love to help and give our experiences on such questions but as you see some of us "old timers" love to discuss some of the "on-the-edge subjects. This without calling anyone out.

Metal there was nothing wrong and probably more right to your post. The only wrong question is one not asked.

PEACE :wavey
 
Gadfly said:
Please quote your source for the "oilyness" in Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection.
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This should suffice. :rolleyes: It's not exactally a national secret that Platinum has oil in it.



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Edit: Edwin is right, I'm done posting on this subject. It's not worth fighting with trolls.
 
Gadfly said:
Detail King: A lot of words. I am hesitant to say NONSENSE, but from my own experience, Platinum Ultimate Paint Protection works just fine when applied over (the OILY) Megs #81.
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It'll apply fine (as will any other sealant), but how do you know durability wasn't affected? Actually, with PUPP, it hardly matters... Along with BF, it's got to be one of the oilest products I've ever tried.
 
mlebarron said:
geekysteve and BW...



I'm interested in reading the results of your respective tests. Any chance you'll be sharing them in the future? or if you've got them typed up, maybe drop me an email?
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I too would love to see the results, whatever they may be.

:wavey
 
I am not Brad, but use PUPP. It will outlast most Carnauba (probably not Collinite) but not last as long as Klasse SG. I use PUPP on top of AIO and SG or just AIO, and it gives me good protection, with the low of a good carnauba.



Brad is right though. It is very oily, but I have not had the smearing problems that some people have had with Blackfire 2, which is purported to be another oily product.
 
Nobody ever said it won't perform, it just does not act (or crosslink) like sealants with no oil in them. That was the whole root of this debate, it's not about a product being good or bad, it was about crosslinking to surfaces of specific products.



Back to your question, yes Platinum will last longer than a normal wax. To get the maximum durability, I would maintain it with the Platinum QD spray and the wash.



Now, I'm done posting on this. :D
 
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