KSG/Not great for metalics

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Anyone ever use Klasse SG on a metalic finish. I did today.I did a 98 boat (bass boat, no idea what kind). It was heavily oxidized and had bad scuffs in the paint. I used Poorboys ssr3, then ssr1 and the results were mindblowing. Then I used Klasse AIO and the shine was even better. The metalic finish was amazing. It was sparkling like crazy. Then I used the SG and the depth of colour got better, the green was really rich but it lost a ton of the sparkle. The overall finish was a deeper, darker green but the metalic flke in the boat had to suffer. So if anyone is doing their car with SG and their paint has metalic they want to stand out I would use the AIO and finish with a good wax instead. I wonder if NXT would reduce metalic's aswell????????????????



Clint:nixweiss
 
what do you mean how can you compare. Boats and cars are detailied the same way. They both are 2 step paints. Ones a clear coat, ones a gel coat. I'm telling you what I saw. The green became darker and richer but the glitter of the metalic flakes was reduced. If a car's surface was preped properly that had alot of metalic flux in it. And you used AIO (which I love and use) it would further improve the sparkle effect. But from what I witnessed today The SG makes the paint darker reducing the "brightness" for lack of a better word of the metaic. I am totally not saying this is the case in all cases, just what I noticed first hand. I was wondering if anyone eles noticed. And I am not Klasse bashing I love the product.



Clint
 
Good observation. Perhaps others can experiment and see if they get the same. Personally, I have not noticed that SG detracts from the metallics, however, I know that there are other products when bring out the flake more. One such is UPP.
 
SG is a good sealant that leaves more of a gloss as compared to shine. If you want shine and the best optics try Zaino. Klasse is glossier, Zaino is shinier, they both are wet lookin'. Just a preference thing. I think it's a good idea to use a water based sealant in the water too, another one besides Zaino is Wolfgang. Remember that's going to end up in the lake, think about it if everyone who drove a boat used a petroleum based sealant. Yes there are some mild petroleum solvents in Zaino and wolfgang but for the most part they do what solvents do and evaporate. I don't know about UPP paint sealant I heard it has a heavy chemical smell is that right? I know their other stuff smells good but I'm not sure what's in the sealant. I was however impressed when I read up on Wolfgang so I'm trying it:

"Deep Gloss Paint Sealant is mild and water-based, you can apply multiple layers to deepen the shine without compromising your paint or clear coat. Thanks to modern science, Wolfgang products are formulated to be non-toxic and surface-friendly"



sounds like a resposible product to use on a boat.
 
I find the metallic is not hidden on my black car with Klasse, but hey, to each their own. Maybe try something like Poorboys EX-P?
 
Yeah EXP is killer on metallics - my galaxy blue at least, got a few coats of that on the car as well as klasse and 4 * UPP

12 coats in all.
 
That has not been my experience on the our Mazda which has a dark grey metallic, but then again I really was not thinking about this issue. I did just detail an employees new Outback which was white with a metallic base, and I do remember thinking that it brought out the metallic aspect of this paint.
 
More reflection = less depth. Reflection gives surface cues, which allow the eye to see where one thing stops and another starts.



The metalflake, especially in gelcoats, is designed to give the illusion of MORE depth.



Correct me, but isn't SG just the protecting part of AIO, though, like AIO without the cleaners?



I like the Klasse products mostly on lighter colors and silvers and grays. They look great, but they aren't really the right products for me.





Tom
 
SG is the protection componenet of the system, but it is not AIO minus cleaners. The formulations for both products are different.



SG is not optically clear. Multiple layers will darken the finish. On a metallic paint job, your flake will be less noticable. This can be said for many of the new sealants on the market (FMJ, EXP, NXT, WG).



If you want the colour of the paint to remain the same/unchanged, use Z2. It is (I believe) 99% optically clear.
 
I did a 1/2 hood side by side comparison of AIO/SG and AIO/FMJ on a copper mirano and the FMJ really brought out the metallics in it .. same when I used it in a blue Mazda metallic...
 
Clinton. First, I would never go from SSR3 to SSR1. At least go from 3 to 2.5 then AIO and SG. I also have great luck going from SSR3 to SSR2. If the paint is dark like Black, Blue etc, I even do three steps, SSR3 SSR2, SSR1. Anywho. What was your application/removal procedure for the Klasse? SG May not amplify Metallics but I have never noticed it reduce metallic either. How many layers did you do and how much time between layers?
 
Burlyq said:
Klasse is glossier, Zaino is shinier
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OK, I dont get the distinction between the terms "Glossier", or "shinier" I see a lot of mention of depth, or reflectivity, I see a difference between those aspects. I do wonder though, if what happened is that the light was reflected off the surface of the paint, therefor reducing the "apparent" shine of the metal flake in the paint. A good reflective surface does make paint appear darker, especially dark shades. A white paint will look dark at a slight angle. (looking down the side of the car in low light, for example) Perhaps the SG worked well, maybe its just the viewing angle that is making the application look poor. :xyxthumbs
 
Whats up eShine. I bought the Klasse Twins from T.A.S. and I used them on a friends boat. The reason I used ssr3 - ssr1 was because there was not alot of scratches. But there was alot of oxidation. The ssr2.5 was not working 100% on the oxidation so I stepped it up to the ssr3. I borrowed a bit of the poor boys from T.A.S.. By the way it works awsome. After I finished with the ssr3 to remove the oxidation I noticed that it only left a very slight haze. I think it's because I used the high speed polisher at lower (1000 ish ) rpm's. I tried a small section with the 2.5 followed by the ssr1 and right beside it I went right to the ssr1. Because I never really created any more swirls or a baad haze I was able to eliminate the ssr 2.5 ( which was great for time also). I applied the AIO with a PC which I borrowed from T.A.S. with the finishing pad. I started at around 5 and when the product started to brake down a bit I reduced the speed and really worked it into the gel coat. This step amplified the sparkle. The I applied the SG about 20min later. That was on Sat afternoon. I waited until today (Monday eve) and applied a second coat of SG. And I noticed a huge differance in the paint. The second coat of SG made the finish look so glossy it looked like I had a coat of clear honey over the green paint. It was AWSOME. I also noticed that it made the metalic flake very sharpe and distinctive (but not Brighter). When I say metalic in the paint it's not slight it's massive like a 70's bumper car. Maybe that much metallic and gelcoat had something to do with the reduction in reflection. I think it's what was stated earlier in the post. SG makes the paint glossier and deeper rather than shinny, and it's not optically pure so it darkens the paint. So this might be the reason for the loss of sparkle. Just my opion



Clinton
 
BillNorth said:
SG is the protection componenet of the system, but it is not AIO minus cleaners. The formulations for both products are different.
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Klasse literature doesn't agree with your claim. Do you know this for sure, or is this just a guess?
 
foxtrapper said:
Klasse literature doesn't agree with your claim. Do you know this for sure, or is this just a guess?
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I seem to remember something saying that the two products were designed for vastly different purposes and not even meant to be used as a system. They just happened to work so well together.



In regards to the original question, I didn't notice any hiding of the metallic when I applied it to the wife's Saturn when she had it.
 
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