Klasse SG: Major Problem Taking Off Residue

HondaMan

HondaMan

2004 Civic EX magnesium
Working on a Nissan Maxima '98 Brilliant Black, we had washed, clayed, SSR 2'd with a PC, and then AIO'd the car.

Then we applied SG and it was SUPER TOUGH to remove. I mean, folding the MF towel and applying elbow grease didn't take off anything but the upper most part of the covering. You could clearly see residue still remaining -- the car's black finish wasn't shining glossily beneth.

We had to use the towel without folding it and have our fingers/hands really dig down and rub to get the residue off. After a few minutes of cleaning maybe 1/4th of the hood, I said enough and tried a bit of water on the MF. That solved the problem, thank god!

Any comments? I don't think we used too much SG (bottle says 2 oz) and it looks like we used maybe 1-1.5 oz. Could it be the combination of an acryllic on this particular car's paint job (despite not being washed or waxed in 2 years, it wasn't rough even before we washed/clayed -- paint job looks very thick w/multiple coats), maybe really "gripping" the paint beneath?

Is this how a pure acryllic sealant works? I have used UPP before and no problems, this was the 1st time with SG and I haven't tried EX yet so let me know if this is normal. I trust a few spritzes of water is fine to remove residue without taking off the sealant itself.
 
You need to put SG on super thin. I use either a foam or MF app to put it on. Less is better , you can always lay on 1 more.
 
thanks, Roll....I used a blue MF applicator, too. I even tried to use the PC buffing pad to remove it, we put one over the Green Sonus pad (the Orange was soaking) and about 5 seconds after I put it on Speed 5......it flew off about 20 feet. lol

We went back to the MF towels and the water method, thankfully, worked!
 
HondaMan said:
We went back to the MF towels and the water method, thankfully, worked!
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I was going tell barely damp MF and dry MF following, but you did that.

What were the weather conditions?
How many coats of AIO?

Eric
 
While I have never used Klasse SG, I have heard that your problem is not all that rare. In fact, I think your damp towel removal is a recommended way for using SG.
Recently, one Bill North has had good luck with a wipe on, wipe off immediately process for SG. Since he is one of the old time users of Klasse products, he probably knows what works.

Charles
 
It can be really difficult to take off sometimes. I've run into this as well. I don't know why they say 2 oz. per car, but I put it on as thin as I can. I have alot less trouble taking it off then. I mean really thin!
 
(1) We used probably closer to 1oz of the SG. No way near 2 oz....unless we tried to set a World Record for thinnest application and to see how far we could stretch the MF applicator with the SG, I thought we were thin. We definitely didn't "gob" it on. Next time I do my car pre-winter, I will make a conscious effort to go super-thin and see if it makes a difference.

(2) Weather conditions were 70's today in NY...car was in the shade, pretty cool. We let it dry for a few minutes as per the instructions on the back. AIO -- we took it off right away...we had let a few patches dry and that too seemed a bit tougher than the time I applied AIO it to my new Honda Civic 5 weeks ago (I didn't have SG then for my car)....like I said, next time I use them both (probably on my car) I'll go super-thin and see if it makes a differnce.

(3) Anybody wonder how much sealing you actually do with AIO if you really wipe it off that quickly like they say you can? I prefer to let AIO dry a bit too, but today was the exception.

(4) 1 coat of AIO....we wanted to finish!!! lol

Car came out good, my cousin is going to take pics and post 'em when he gets a chance.
 
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(2) Weather conditions were 70's today in NY...car was in the shade, pretty cool. We let it dry for a few minutes as per the instructions on the back.
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2) SG is known for its finicky application, as someone suggested in the other forum (BillNorth),make your life easier do a panel and then you wipe it off (WOWO method = wipe on wipe off) ;-)

(3) Anybody wonder how much sealing you actually do with AIO if you really wipe it off that quickly like they say you can? I prefer to let AIO dry a bit too, but today was the exception.
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I use AIO as a cleaner rather than a sealant , so it's a wipe on and off affair for me as well. No one will be able to tell you how much protection is left if you wipe it off immediately. Even if you let it dry for sometimes, I wonder how much of it will be removed by the SG from abrasion . So don't worry too much about the acrylic in AIO
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I learned the hard way that with AIO, make sure the applicator is damp, I make sure to keep it damp, and wipe it on and wipe it off and only do small areas at a time and try not to let it dry at all.

No idea of protection/durability, but it does leave a nice slick feeling. I don't use it as a protectant though. But once it dries, it's a bear to get off completely and you sure do have to work it.
 
I use Sonüs Acrylic Spritz sprayed on my MF to get off the tough spots. I suppose any QD'r would work likewise, but I don't like mixing products with an unknown compatible.
 
I applied AIO using a PC with moistened white LC pad at 3.5 and SG using a PC with moistened grey LC pad at 3.5 and did not have any problems with removal of either product.

IHMO, the PC makes it easier to apply a thin, even primary layer.

Next layer will be applied by hand, we'll see if I can be as consistent as the PC when applying a thin layer of SG.
 
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