Klasse...New vs Old Formula?

[stevet]

Is it just me, or is anyone else slightly disturbed that a moderator on the board would jump in to perpetuate an old rumor?

I'm not disturbed by it at all if it's the truth. I will be very disturbed if I find out that Klasse has been lying about no change to the formula. Like you I just want the truth about this product. If Klasse wasn't so hard to get info from you could call them up and ask like I did with 3M and Collinite. IMO Klasse is asking for this type of speculation by being so bush league with their customer service.

 

[Mark Waldron]

My god people! Get a life! Maybe it's the same, maybe it has changed. Maybe the color is different. Maybe the smell is different. Who gives a rats a**! If you no longer like the product, don't use it. As far a "Secret Squirrel's" statement about being in the know about a change to come, don't say a damn thing unless you want to give us the facts and your sources. I'm getting real tired of all this crap about Klasse, Poorboys, etc. Leave it alone and maybe you'll learn to just move on with a different product without bashing the old one.

 

[SpeedWax]

My god people! Get a life! Maybe it's the same, maybe it has changed. Maybe the color is different. Maybe the smell is different. Who gives a rats a**! If you no longer like the product, don't use it. As far a "Secret Squirrel's" statement about being in the know about a change to come, don't say a damn thing unless you want to give us the facts and your sources. I'm getting real tired of all this crap about Klasse, Poorboys, etc. Leave it alone and maybe you'll learn to just move on with a different product without bashing the old one.

I dont understand why some people dont want other people to discuss detailing products on a detailing products discussion site.

 

[stevet]

My god people! Get a life! Maybe it's the same, maybe it has changed. Maybe the color is different. Maybe the smell is different. Who gives a rats a**! If you no longer like the product, don't use it. As far a "Secret Squirrel's" statement about being in the know about a change to come, don't say a damn thing unless you want to give us the facts and your sources. I'm getting real tired of all this crap about Klasse, Poorboys, etc. Leave it alone and maybe you'll learn to just move on with a different product without bashing the old one.

Wow. Maybe you haven't noticed so I will point it out for you. You are on Autopia. A site for people who are very much into care care and car care products. So most people do "give a rats a$$" about these types of things. They might seem trivial to others but thats why they aren't Autopians. If you are "getting real tired of all this crap about Klasse, Poorboys, etc" just use the ignore button or skip the thread entirely.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I can't believe we're going thru this again. NOT ALL PRODUCTS work by virtue of VOC's. That means a product CAN be 30 years old and not have to be reformulated to meet VOC regs. To just presume that a 30 yo product formula HAS to be non-compliant with current VOC regs is simply a leap, made without evidence to the contrary.



If you open a bottle of, say, MPPC, a product which has been discontinued due to it's VOC content, it reeks of solvents, as do many products that DO meet the new VOC regs. I don't smell anything like that from a bottle of AIO/SG.

 

[stevet]

If you open a bottle of, say, MPPC, a product which has been discontinued due to it's VOC content, it reeks of solvents, as do many products that DO meet the new VOC regs. I don't smell anything like that from a bottle of AIO/SG.

Megs #16 doesn't reek of solvents and it's gone bye bye due to VOC. It was also a very old product. It's not a leap to assume that a 30 year old product is not VOC compliant when much newer products are not. It's not proof that Klasse is not VOC compliant but it's a reasonable assumption. If it turns out that I am wrong (and I hope I am by the way) great because I like Klasse AIO just the way it is.



I wish Dookie would just post his source so that we could know one way or the other.



By the way Dookie is not the only Autopia Mod saying Klasse is changed. There is another one who is very well respected and visits the Audiworld detailing board and he said it has changed as well.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Megs #16 doesn't reek of solvents and it's gone bye bye due to VOC. It was also a very old product. It's not a leap to assume that a 30 year old product is not VOC compliant when much newer products are not. It's not proof that Klasse is not VOC compliant but it's a reasonable assumption.

Whatever...assuming that every old product is non-compliant is just as naive as assuming that every old product IS compliant. I'm out--this is just a rehash.

 

[stevet]

Whatever...assuming that every old product is non-compliant is just as naive as assuming that every old product IS compliant. I'm out--this is just a rehash.

I can see you put a lot of thought into that response. There are other reasons for me thinking Klasse is not VOC compliant or has been reformulated. The age of the product is just one.

 

[JasonD]

Is it just me, or is anyone else slightly disturbed that a moderator on the board would jump in to perpetuate an old rumor?

First of all, I don't "perpetuate old rumors" and I take offense to that statement.



Second, it's not a rumor. Like I said, my source is a very good one. Will I give it up? Of course not. Why? Because I was asked not to, and I'm not the kind of person to break a deal of any kind.



If this all bothers you too much, maybe you should just not involve yourself in this discussion.

As far a "Secret Squirrel's" statement about being in the know about a change to come, don't say a damn thing unless you want to give us the facts and your sources. I'm getting real tired of all this crap about Klasse, Poorboys, etc. Leave it alone and maybe you'll learn to just move on with a different product without bashing the old one.

Are you saying that you would prefer to be in the dark? I gave the facts, the price is going up and the product is being changed. I also said that I did not know the extent of the change. For all I know it could just be the color or smell, your guess is as good as any.



I was responding to the original topic of whether there was any difference between the new and old version. There were replies that stated that there is no new version, and that may not be entirely true which is why I added to the conversation with what I knew.



I have no idea when the updated version will come out, if ever, nor do I know what's being changed.



As far as the insinuation that this is like the recent PB's thread, I don't agree. Nobody's bashing anything here, nor are they questioning the origin of the product. We are just discussing the possible change in a very good product, which will most probably remain very good.

If thats true it would explain this thread. Are you saying that you KNOW there is a change?



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54519&perpage=12&pagenumber=1

That thread gave us the heads up I guess. Whether we wanted to listen or not, is our perogative.



I'm not saying I *know* anything, I'm just passing along what I've heard.





Come on guys. Is this really that hard to believe? Things change constantly. Sometimes they change for the better, and sometimes they change for the worse. Regardless, we live in a world that is constantly progressing. We should be looking forward to change instead of looking at it like the end of the world.

 

[stevet]

What bothers me Jason is that when this was first brought up the President of Klasse USA was quoted by Jason from Autogeek as saying there is no change to Klasse and he is being accepted as the expert on Klasse even though he has nothing to do with the manufacturing of the product. Now you claim to have a good source that says there will be a change so is the President of Klasse USA lying? If so that angers me big time.



Jason why does your source want to keep this secret. Does he/she want to keep people in the dark?

 

[JasonD]

I don't have any answers for you. Maybe the change was decided *after* his statement to Jason from Autogeek. Maybe he never made the statement at all, who knows. :nixweiss



I'm not trying to set everyone straight, all I was doing was passing along something I heard. My source is a good one in the industry but is not affiliated with Klasse, which is why I can't say, and this is the last time I'm discussing this. It's not anyone's place to make announcements for another company. It's one thing if it's discussed among consumers, but it's another thing entirely when it comes from someone in the industry.



I fully understand your concerns, and I'm with you 100%. I don't understand why, if there is a change planned, it isn't being made public.



As we can all see here, there is no *concrete* information, just here say, so let's all be patient and see what happens.



I think the big point made here is that there is a possibility of a change coming from Klasse, and it shouldn't be ignored as being a *possibility*. Again, time will tell.

 

[MongooseGA]

Why can't we ever just wait for concrete facts and direct sources before we argue about stuff? Klasse, CG/PB, etc... :nixweiss



So much less unnecessary stress about a car cleaning product.

 

[JasonD]

Well, Mongoose, the problem with the the CG/PB deal is that it can't be proven one way or the other. That is going to pretty much be an ongoing issue until someone figures out a way to prove something. I'm not holding my breathe, nor do I care to ever see another thread about it.



As far as the Klasse situation, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough, like you said.



I should have left well enough alone, but it's in my nature to try to be as honest as I can with you guys and when there's something being discussed that I feel I have a little insight with, I like to share it.



I mostly stepped in because the original member was being told that there is no change, not even a *possibility* of a change and that's just not entirely true.

 

[wannafbody]

if the person who is giving the info isn't associated with Klasse how do you know if its reliable? is it possible that your scource has ulterior motives? why not post in the manufacturers forums and hope Klasse makes an official statement one way or other regarding the rumors?

 

[JasonD]

You may be right, who knows, but think about it.....how could anyone benefit by simply saying AIO may be changing a little bit? I doubt seriously that this is going to be an AIO turning into Turtle Wax Rubbing Compound, kind of change. I'm sure it's going to be barely even noticeable, but like you said, my source may not even be reliable.



If you'd like to post a question in the manuf. forum, you are more than welcome. I'm sure quite a few people would be curious to see what comes of it.

 

[Alfisti]

Has anyone considered that, if and when, Klasse changes its formulation that they may even improve it? Even if its something as non-critical like improving the smell?



I wouldn't stress.

 

[JasonD]

Has anyone considered that, if and when, Klasse changes its formulation that they may even improve it? Even if its something as non-critical like improving the smell?



I wouldn't stress.

And on that note, this thread's done. The original topic has been lost for quite some time now. It has served its purpose, and doesn't require anymore discussion.