Klasse AIO Durability?

[LikeaRock]

I did a quick clean-up on my fathers work truck on Sunday and his other rig this afternoon, I hit both of them with AIO by hand with minor "buffing" by hand, both trucks have a fairly nice glow now and are slick as can be, but I'm curious about the durability of this product in a typical CA winter? I'm hoping I can get away with 1, maybe 2-3 coats until mid-March or so? I'm planning on complete details for both once the weather cleans up. My schedule has been packed lately and I don't really have the time for a thorough detail for right now.

Thanks
Dolan

 

[CharlesW]

I did a quick clean-up on my fathers work truck on Sunday and his other rig this afternoon, I hit both of them with AIO by hand with minor "buffing" by hand, both trucks have a fairly nice glow now and are slick as can be, but I'm curious about the durability of this product in a typical CA winter? I'm hoping I can get away with 1, maybe 2-3 coats until mid-March or so? I'm planning on complete details for both once the weather cleans up. My schedule has been packed lately and I don't really have the time for a thorough detail for right now.

Thanks
Dolan

Are you referring to Klasse AIO?
While I'm a big fan of Klasse AIO for paint cleaning/prep as a base for my LSP, I don't think the longevity is too great.
I didn't always think that, but I did a test on the black mirrors on my 1998 Pontiac minivan. I did one mirror with just Klasse AIO, but used 4 Star UPP over the AIO on the other. The Klasse AIO alone lasted about 5 washes before it started to look noticeably less shiny than the one with the UPP on top. Jngrbrdman had told me it was less durable than many people thought so I had to see for myself. It really surprised me that there was that much difference.

Charles

 

[palomino]

i think most people buy both the Klasse AIO and the Sealant Glaze. A coat or two of AIO followed up with a few layers of SG is the typical Klasse routine.

 

[CharlesW]

i think most people buy both the Klasse AIO and the Sealant Glaze. A coat or two of AIO followed up with a few layers of SG is the typical Klasse routine.

A typical Klasse routine, but not necessarily the most popular use for Klasse AIO. It seems like most of the people I know use the KAIO for prep before any LSP, be it wax or sealant. Klasse SG is not as popular as it once was and I think that is mostly because of so many products that are easier to use and give very good results.
The thing that is somewhat frustrating about the KAIO is the claims of long lasting protection. That long lasting protection was one of the reasons I used it. It now appears that I wasn't really getting all that much added protection from the KAIO. IMO, it still is a great cleaner/prep for a LSP. I personally wouldn't consider it as my only protective product for a winter.

Charles

 

[GearHead_1]

One little side note here. I use AIO quite a bit as a base for many different LSP's. It works great in the function.

You mentioned that it felt slick when you had finished. That's one thing that I never really get with AIO sitting as an LSP mine always feels a little grabby as I move my knuckles across it.

 

[LikeaRock]

One little side note here. I use AIO quite a bit as a base for many different LSP's. It works great in the function.

You mentioned that it felt slick when you had finished. That's one thing that I never really get with AIO sitting as an LSP mine always feels a little grabby as I move my knuckles across it.

I really like using AIO as a base for P&S Ultracoat Wax, it gives a really, really nice reflective glow IMO. But with my busy schedule I haven't had much time to tend t either rig, and my father is always making trips down to Southern CA so he's rarely around anyway for me to tend to his truck, hence why I'd like to use AIO as an LSP. I also would like to hold off on polishing until this spring when I can set aside a day for each truck, AIO did a half-way decent job of hiding some minor swirling in both rigs (That's really why I used it, so I could save time over hitting both rigs with a finishing pad and polish and then wax), and they do feel amazingly slick as well, a lot slicker than I expected. Both trucks beaded up great on Tuesday when it rained, I'll have to keep an eye on them and see how AIO is holding up.

Thanks again

 

[palomino]

A typical Klasse routine, but not necessarily the most popular use for Klasse AIO. It seems like most of the people I know use the KAIO for prep before any LSP, be it wax or sealant. Klasse SG is not as popular as it once was and I think that is mostly because of so many products that are easier to use and give very good results.

Charles

interesting.

on another car forum i post on, everyone says to use them together. i wasnt too impressed personally. i felt there are many other products that gave similar results that were easier to use and didnt require the long cure time that SG needs.

i guess ill throw the SG up for sale and use the AIO as you said here. thanks!

 

[Jngrbrdman]

SG is a great sealant. It is different from most of the sealants out there today because it is an acrylic sealant and not a polymer. That is why there is a difference in appearance and application. On certian colors I love the look of SG. It creates a nice 'polished rock' looking shine. It isn't especially wet looking, but if that is the look you want then you'll want to either top SG with a carnauba or go with a polymer sealant to begin with. The other reason I keep SG around is for its fantastic durability. You won't find it's match easily in that department. I put 4 or 5 coats on my vehicle in the fall and I don't have to touch it until spring. The 4 or 5 coats is for appearance reasons mostly. Two coats would proabably take me through the whole winter, but I've found it looks best to me with a few more. Anyway, that is why I keep it in my product collection. In the winter when durability is more important than appearance I go with SG. In the spring, summer, and fall I go with polymer sealants that have good durability, but appearance is my primary goal. I wouldn't care if a sealant only lasted for a month personally. I don't plan on applying it and then waiting for it to fall off before I put another coat on.

As it has already been said, AIO is a great base for whatever sealant or wax you plan on using, but it isn't a spectacular stand alone product. Personally I don't care what people say about it being great looking and super durable. I just don't buy that. A new car with a coat of AIO on it doesn't look much better than a new car with nothing on it at all. That's my gauge for appearance. AIO is an awesome paint cleaner that will get rid of even the toughest oxidation and then provide a terrific base for any sealant to bond to your car, but if you are going to be working on a newer car without that kind of damage, then I would recommend topping it with a sealant or wax if you want appearance improvements.

Oh, and multiple coats of AIO is a waste of product. It can't be layered. Because it is such a powerful paint cleaner, one coat would just remove anything the other coat leaves behind. Multiple coats with any paint cleaner is just wasted time and product. People who suggest to do that simply don't understand what AIO is and what it is doing for you car. They just think that more must be better. The layers should be done with the sealant. Imagine it as primer. Having 5 coats of primer doesn't make the clear coat any shinier.

 

[Autogeek]

Imagine it as primer. Having 5 coats of primer doesn't make the clear coat any shinier.

That is an excellent analogy.

 

[wannafbody]

not to mention that the micro abrsives and cleaners in AIO will remove the previous application

 

[Beemerboy]

I did a quick clean-up on my fathers work truck on Sunday and his other rig this afternoon, I hit both of them with AIO by hand with minor "buffing" by hand, both trucks have a fairly nice glow now and are slick as can be, but I'm curious about the durability of this product in a typical CA winter? I'm hoping I can get away with 1, maybe 2-3 coats until mid-March or so? I'm planning on complete details for both once the weather cleans up. My schedule has been packed lately and I don't really have the time for a thorough detail for right now.

Thanks
Dolan

Dolan

Unless this has been posted already you can't layer Klasse AIO, one cancels the next.

As for durability you should be OK up here we are having an extremely mild winter. If I were you I would layer SG on it, or use some of your P&S sealant for that.

 

[LikeaRock]

Dolan

Unless this has been posted already you can't layer Klasse AIO, one cancels the next.

As for durability you should be OK up here we are having an extremely mild winter. If I were you I would layer SG on it, or use some of your P&S sealant for that.

I knew it would be a waste to layer but I like the fact that I can hit almost every surface on the outside with AIO and know it all has at least some protection. I've had such a mix-matched schedule for the past few months I haven't had time for anything. This weekend I dolled up my Jeep but had no time for the other vehicles. However my fathers truck hasn't been washed in about 5 or 6 weeks and it's covered in bugs from a couple So Cal trips. He's headed back down there this weekend, I'm hoping to get it washed and throw a coat of Ultracoat on before the rains hit us this week.

On the P&S Note: I remember you saying before that Ultracoat Wax just doesn't quite do it for you, however I freakin LOVE it! If I have time I usually apply a coat via white Edge pad then another by hand. IMO it leaves an oustanding shine, and after the 24 hour curing time it leaves a nice reflective, wet look on most finishes. It lasted a good 4+ months on my Blazer, it sheeted beautifully when I flooded the car when I was done washing.

 

[CharlesW]

I knew it would be a waste to layer but I like the fact that I can hit almost every surface on the outside with AIO and know it all has at least some protection.

Two applications of product is pretty common for me. I think I do a better job of covering all the vehicle.
That way, I usually don't miss the same places both times.

Charles