Just slow or still learning????

toby tyke

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Give me some advice please gents. So far I have only detailed big cars, 2 new 5 series BMWs and a Jaguar, so you can tell I am new to the game. I just dont seem to have enough hours in the day to correctly finish the cars, so come away dissapointed, although the customer is happy. Paintwork wise should i be able to wash, clay, wash, machine polish to desired result, wax etc in 8 hrs?. Luckily the Jag was only a mile away and a friend so I went back the next day to finish. I no its the British winter so its getting dark at around 15:30, so starting at 08:30 only gives me 7-8 hrs. What sort of time frame do you guys work to?

Thanks as always for your advice. John at Auto Care.
 
It takes me awhile too. I like to take my time though and make sure I do a good job. It usually takes me about 6 hours to do a full up exterior detail.



What machine are you using? I was using a udm and have a flex on the way. Hopefully, it will cut down time.
 
It depends on how bad the paint is and what products you use will dictate how long paint correction takes.
 
There’s so much to say that ‘might’ help, but here’s a few basics I hope help you:

Area Preparation & Flow: As you know all the prep to bring the paint to final finish, it’s just as important to have your work environment prepped correctly for the job BEFORE the client arrives. Are all the products within a two step distance? Cart on wheels (with wheel locks and rubberized/foam protected sides and edges) is a great time saver, (I’ve seen a California Detailer on an steep hill, keep his cart on a dog-run-tether to keep from being a rolling disaster, yet keep his products and tools at hand!) Are all the extension cords out, plugged into the tools and ready to use? Are all the pads and products lined up for easy readability and ‘staged’ for step-by-step use? Is the hose unraveled, kink-free, etc?

Are all your hand tools (brushes, sponges, applicators, etc.) also ‘staged’ and easy to access? Have you practiced keeping your hose and extension cords in specific spots (again, ‘staging’) to keep them from being entangled, but also handy.

There are entire businesses that do nothing more than come to you location and find ways to streamline work environments. By studying your work environment and developing a strategy for a ‘two-steps-to-everything’ routine will save a LOT of time.

There’s a lot to be said for belts and harnesses you strap on, but at your young career, best to keep things two steps away from the paint finish and leave them to the “bang-‘em-out� commercial shop employee’s.



Natural Pace: Another thing (which not to sound insulting), is your ‘natural pace’. There are some people who just physically operate at a slower, more methodical pace than others. It’s easy to break these habits by installing a GIGANTIC CLOCK within immediate view and timing yourself between panels. This won’t make you a bad detailer if you’re not one already, instead, it will keep you more focused on time and where it’s being wasted. I’ve owned a few labor/service businesses and I find the GIANT CLOCK thing to be the most successful thing to increasing efficiency of (almost) all employees … including my lazy a$$ too. Chart how long it takes to go through each step: wash, clay, etc. You’d be amazed at your effectiveness after several vehicles.



Planning: The job really starts the day before you get the car. Have everything organized and in place to immediately start working the night before. Once the customer arrives, shake his/her hand, say good-bye and … although it may seem cold and alienating, send him/her on their way! Your clock starts the minute the vehicle arrives. Any time spent chit-chatting is a loss to your profit! Once they come to pick-up the car … THEN TALK! Share with them where they had issues and you made it ‘all-good-again’, talk about general maintenance they could do, and how much better it would be if they showed up again in a month or so for a quick secondary wax/sealant so they don’t have the costs of big details again.



You did say you were just starting … and I congratulate you for recognizing time is an issue. In time, practice and patience you will get better, faster and more efficient.

Hope this helps and I wish you well.
 
First of all thanks for the advice. One of the problems I have is that I operate as a mobile valeter, so the client rings the night before and I arrive the next day at their house. This is the first time I see the car. I operate out of a small van but I do take your point of having everything ready and at hand. This may sound stupid but in the time limit available they want thier car simply valeting to a high standard but I want to detail it to perfection. I specify 6hrs for a full valet but want the paintwork free of all swirls etc and looking "wet" but also want the interior the same way too. Tell me do you go and see your clients car before hand to price and evaluate etc?. The final question is I suppose do you valet or do you detail, can you mix the two successfully?.

Yours willing to listen and learn from the pros.
 
Once you get your "system" down,., you will find that you will be able to work more efficiently within a specifed timeframe. Some cars are easy to do :woot2: , others .... :hairpull
 
I was in the body repair and custom business a long time ago. 4 years ago I 'invested' in a small shop. In the last 6 months I have become more involved in running the business so I'll have a shot at getting my money back out. I have found myself enjoying the business and the satisfaction of seeing customer’s faces and reactions, so I just might stay in this business. I can see the immense potential for optional and related services that are not being offered under one roof. Here are answers to your questions:



QUOTE: "... in the time limit available they want their cars simply valet to a high standard but I want to detail it to perfection. I specify 6hrs for a full valet but want the paintwork free of all swirls etc and looking "wet" but also want the interior the same way too."

REPLY: You've already stated what 'they want' to what you 'want to achieve'. Listen to the client - and to their acceptance of what they're willing to pay for. Achieve that level and 20% more. If everyone gets the best job you can possibly do regardless of what they're paying for ... you will be out of business for lack of profit. On the other hand, in time, you should be able to pick-up the pace to give the results of what you want to achieve for 'most' simple valet/light detail jobs within 6 hours.



QUOTE: "Tell me do you go and see your client’s car before hand to price and evaluate etc?"

REPLY: YES. In the last year, we're too busy to do 'walk-ins'. Everyone is scheduled and must come by the shop. (Or arraignments made to do it at their location - rarely)



QUOTE: "The final question is I suppose do you valet or do you detail, can you mix the two successfully?"

REPLY: I can't tell you how to run a business or set up a business model from this side of the pond, but if I was starting out ... I'd take every and any paying job regarding making a vehicle look better than it was when I took charge of it, and do only the work for the price point they chose. Always offering better finishing for any and all levels of service for the next time they need my service.



Hope it helps.
 
Many thanks for the advice, your right in every aspect. I will take all your tips on board especially visiting the car before hand or at least getting the customers expectations on the cars finish clear beforehand.

A merry christmas to one and all from here in the UK.
 
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