AIO/Souveran is a very nice combo on black that combines the shine from AIO and the deep wet look of Souveran. PPCL/Souveran is even wetter and, I think, more luxurious looking. It is a show combo but not the best for a daily driver as far as longevity is concerned. Either combo is improved greatly by the second Souveran coat.
just go 05 jet black m3...zaino or pinnacle souveran?
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Carl Anderson
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The M3 paint is soft. It is easy to get defects out, but scratches very easily. But it looks so good when cared for properly.
togwt
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Klasse All-In-One â€â€œ Zanio Z5/ZFX â€â€œ Pinnacle Souverän Waxworks well on a dark coloured paint
~Hope this helps~
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Klasse All-In-One â€â€œ Zanio Z5/ZFX â€â€œ Pinnacle Souverän Waxworks well on a dark coloured paint
~Hope this helps~
Knowledge unshared is experience wasted [each one / teach one]
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Bill D
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manawar said:
It's certainly a time and frustration saver when defects appear and need to be corrected. Keep extra special care of it: meticulous washing procedure, finest mfs only,etc, etc and you'll won't ever have to worry about having to polishing out too many
Pats300zx
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Pinnacle Souveran---------Can't beat it on red or black.
Carl Anderson
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I agree with the Pinnacle Souveran comment. I applied it over AIO to my Jet black M3 about a month ago. It still looks incredible - as wet as it can get I think.
raymond_ho2002
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Frenzy,
Which description are you referring to? I do not see anything written about its chemistry on either pinnaclewax.com or autogeek.net. All the descriptions there just basically say that it shines nicely.
Is there something i'm not seeing?
Which description are you referring to? I do not see anything written about its chemistry on either pinnaclewax.com or autogeek.net. All the descriptions there just basically say that it shines nicely.
Is there something i'm not seeing?
From science...super-refining and modern polymers. We start with #1 Grade Yellow Carnauba, then refine it a second time. This changes the wax's pale yellow color to ivory as the last remaining impurities are removed. The result is Ivory Carnauba, a super-pure wax with unsurpassed clarity. We use only Ivory Carnauba as a foundation for all our waxes. To this base of Ivory Carnauba, we add modern crystalline polymers. Thes super-hard polymers increase the wax's durability by resisting breakdown from acid rain and ultraviolet light. Month after month, your vehicle will proudly display its Ivory Carnauba shine! (http://www.pinnaclewax.com/waxes.html (Taken directly from site).
There's no such thing as Ivory Carnauba. Also, you cannot refine #1 grade Yellow Carnauba.
There's no such thing as Ivory Carnauba. Also, you cannot refine #1 grade Yellow Carnauba.
imported_memnuts
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#1 carnauba can not be refined? :nixweiss
This hard yellow-brown wax comes from the Carnauba palm tree (Copernicea Cerifera) and is found only in the northeast of Brazil in the states of Rio Grande do Norte, Ceara and Piaui. The Carnauba palm tree is slow growing and reaches an average height of 25-35 feet and is often referred to as the tree of life. It proliferates along river banks, streams and damp lowlands. To protect itself against dehydration during the period of drought that severely affects the Northeast region of Brazil every year for more than six months, the Carnauba covers its leaves with a thick layer of wax The cutting of the leaves and sprouts takes place during the dry months of September through February. Workers use knives on long poles to trim the leaves from mature trees. The cut leaves are bundled together and sun-dried. The powder is then mechanically thrashed from the leaves and graded by color, the lighter powder originating from the younger leaves. With a maximum cutting of twenty leaves per year from a tree, the average yield of carnauba wax per tree is about 2 pounds per cutting. The color and quality of the carnauba wax is governed by the age of the leaves and care used in processing of this hard, brittle, lustrous wax. Once refined, the Carnauba Wax is offered in different colors, grades and forms. The most widely used are the prime # 1 yellow grade which is a very pale yellow (sometimes referred to as white carnauba) wax usually available in flake, lump, or powdered form.
This hard yellow-brown wax comes from the Carnauba palm tree (Copernicea Cerifera) and is found only in the northeast of Brazil in the states of Rio Grande do Norte, Ceara and Piaui. The Carnauba palm tree is slow growing and reaches an average height of 25-35 feet and is often referred to as the tree of life. It proliferates along river banks, streams and damp lowlands. To protect itself against dehydration during the period of drought that severely affects the Northeast region of Brazil every year for more than six months, the Carnauba covers its leaves with a thick layer of wax The cutting of the leaves and sprouts takes place during the dry months of September through February. Workers use knives on long poles to trim the leaves from mature trees. The cut leaves are bundled together and sun-dried. The powder is then mechanically thrashed from the leaves and graded by color, the lighter powder originating from the younger leaves. With a maximum cutting of twenty leaves per year from a tree, the average yield of carnauba wax per tree is about 2 pounds per cutting. The color and quality of the carnauba wax is governed by the age of the leaves and care used in processing of this hard, brittle, lustrous wax. Once refined, the Carnauba Wax is offered in different colors, grades and forms. The most widely used are the prime # 1 yellow grade which is a very pale yellow (sometimes referred to as white carnauba) wax usually available in flake, lump, or powdered form.
No, it cannot. #1 grade is #1 grade. You can alter the color, but you cannot change it's makeup. In other words, you cannot "refine" it to make it any better than #1. The only carnauba better than #1 grade yellow is #1 grade white, which doesn't leave Brazil.
Our chemist spent years in Brazil, working and studying. He is an expert in the finishing field.
I'm not knocking Pinnacle, just the way they describe it.
Our chemist spent years in Brazil, working and studying. He is an expert in the finishing field.
I'm not knocking Pinnacle, just the way they describe it.
Eliot Ness
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Frenzy said:
If there is a white carnauba, why canâ€â„¢t it leave brazil and what is it used for?
There was some discussion here a while back that white carnauba does not exist. Just curious.
raymond_ho2002
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Frenzy said:
You just said two opposite things there:
1) #1 grade is #1, it cannot be further refined
2) there is a better carnauba than #1 yellow, which is white
The only way i see this making sense is if #1 white comes from a completely different source.
By the way, do you know what #1 white is used for and why it doesn't leave brazil?
Thanks for the info!