Is There Anything I Can Do To Help Prevent Chrome On Wheels From Pitting and Flaking?

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I am looking to get into the Zaino product line to see if it is better than Klasse.



The problem is, I know NOTHING about the zaino lineup. I tried looking in the past threads but I get 1% of my questions answered from that post then I need to go find another. t's impossible.



I was wondering if anyone knew a site that told you how to use Zaino from the start to finish... also how to use this ZFX stuff.



You Zaino fans should be able to help me out.
 
There is really no mystery to it.



Regular Zaino:

1. Apply Z1, no need to wipe off.

2. Apply Z2 or Z5. Wait till it dries. Allow as much as 6 hours between coats to allow it to fully cure.

3. Between coats apply Z6 Gloss Enhancer (quick detailer)



For ZFX:

1. No need for Z1

2. Mix Z2 or Z5 together with the catalyst in the supplied bottle. Use it right away. It's good for 5-6 hours. Apply and let dry before buffing off.

3. You may layer multiple coats right away.

4. Between coats apply Z6 Gloss Enhancer (quick detailer)



What other specifics do you need help with. It's pretty straighforward. Follow the simple directions on the bottle or on the web site and it's totally idiot proof.
 
Brad B -

Thanks, that's the advice I was looking for.



Bobg -

Could you give me his e-mail?



I know there are tricks and trades, like maybe QD a few extra times in between layers, maybe mix a product or two. Is there something you don't need but you can use for results some people say don't exsist? I want to use Zaino to it's max, I want to see the best it can do.



Why can't you use Z2 and Z5, in which order would you use them, do you use more of one than the other???



Which product hides swirls, how many times can you use it, when can you use it and how do you use it?



* I found out that you do not LEAVE the product on the car for 24 hours, you remove it and WAIT 24 hours. Simple mix-ups like this get me all thrown off.
 
Multiple quick detailing doesn't really buy you anything.



Don't mix products. Use Z5 if you are trying to hide any swirls, or just Z2 if the surface is perfect. You can mix the application of these products. (some coats of Z5 then some coats of Z2 or visa versa) But don't mix the two products together.
 
Brad -



So if I use clay and a 3M polish I can just go nuts with the Z2... once I start using the Z2 I don't stop right? I know "redcarguy" said he had like 75 layers or something on his car. Is that the purpose of Z2?
 
The Zaino website is pretty straight forward and there really are not any tricks to Z.



Prep the surface first ie remove swirls, clay etc. then follow directions on website or the onse you get with the order which are the same.
 
The "optics" of Z2 are suppose to be near perfect. It will enhance whatever is underneath. It is very "clear". You can use as many layers as you like.



Z5 has fillers in it that will help hide small swirls and scratches so if you are unable to achieve a perfect prep you may want to use Z5 by itself or in addition to Z2. You may find that sometime down the road your beautiful 10 layers of Z2 may have some swirls or scratches in it from living in the real world. At this point you may want to add a layer or more of Z5 to help hide those swirls.



You can go back and forth as many times as you want. Just keep adding these two products to each other.
 
Joed, you can go nuts with either of them. Just don't go over 3 coats a day.



I would use Z-5 till your swirls are no longer visible. Some people say that if your swirls are still visible after three coats of Z-5, then no amount of Z-5 will fill your swirls. However, I do not find that to be the case. I have about 6 to 7 coats of Z-5 on my black bimmer and I definitely notice a difference from back when it had only 3 coats. I can't wait to see how it looks after ten coats.
 
I've been on this board for about a month and found a lot of useful info about Zaino...i didn't know what to expect since I'm very skeptical....



I received my shipment of Zaino via the MDX group purchase this week. Yesterday I was able to put it on two coats of Z5/ZFX on two cars...



First off...



Car1: Honda Accord, black..I had previously used Maguire's Show Car Glaze on the car during a really cold afternoon. By early evening, the consistency was like putting elmer's paste on the car...well i decided since I can't do anything about it, i'll let it sit overnite...and take it off the next day when it warms up...bad idea. The stuff litterally bonded to the car..in splotches. *($#%....Well this weekend I Iwashed with dawn as prescribed...then went at it with Mother's clay. It did the job, but it took over an hour. I mixed one ounce of Z5 and 4 drops of ZFX. I used a MF towel and worked it in. It's a lot warmer this weekend, and the stuff dried quickly...I would have to Z6 or moisten with water quite a bit. Overall I used .75 ounces...I have no clue how ppl can do two or three coats in one ounce....



I waited a bit, and started back at the front of the car...and the stuff came off realy quick. My first impression was how slick the car felt. This car had a lot of spiderwebs afterwards, but significantly less. I used Z6 and it got even better..I still saw the disgusting splotches, so I thought...well I gotta take this off...so I went at it with the clay bar....this is hard work..but I got more off.....another 90min of claying before I was satisfied.



Then it was back to the dawn, Z5/ZFX and Z6. I had to add another ounce to the bottle, but I used considerably less..prolly about .5 ounces. I was really happy with what I saw and felt...the black was almost like a mirror.





Car2: 996Coupe, silver. This is a new 2002 car, with 500 mi on the odometer. I've had it for about one month. Previously, I was only wiping down the car with Maguire's Quik Detailer after I would drive the car. I did the same deal since I had .75 ounces left of Z5/ZFX. Washed with dawn...then left the car outside as I saw the 4th quarter of the Superbowl. Came back to the car which was all moist. I drove it into my garage and wiped it down with a MF. I was able to do two coats with the remaining .75 ounces...(is it me or does it seemm to use less and less to coat a car?) i had used Z6 inbetween.



My impression after the first coat was that I could see the inconsistency of my application. The car was not super slick but "flat" until i put on the Z6. The Z6 evened out the finish more..This car was new, and garaged. After the second coat, It got better...it has an inherent slipperyness to the car finish now...and it almost feels like plastic. Not paint. I'm very happy with the Z5, and i'll wash with Z7 and do Z2 next weekend.
 
Ok, so let me get this right:



Z5 = we can assume it is 80% shine and 20% swirl filler



Z2 = we can assume this is 100% shine



So I use the Z5 only when I need it, aside from that, keep the car crystal clean and keep layering on the Z2?



I do NOT need to apply wax right? If I do, the Klasse rule applies, no more coats of Z products can be put on the car after wax is layered correct?



I also cannot use a polish without stripping the entire car and starting over right? I thought Zaino made something like Z6, like a non abrasive polish you can use inbetween.



I am going to scope out thier site .......... again.
 
Joed... I think you've pretty much graduated from the Dipshi....uuuh, I mean the idiot's guide to Zaino. j/k bro :D



Couple of things though. Although the Z-5 has some swirl-filling ability, some people actually prefer the way Z-5 looks. They swear it provides a 'deeper' shine than Z-2. Experiment with both and see which one you like better.



You wrote: "I also cannot use a polish without stripping the entire car and starting over right? I thought Zaino made something like Z6, like a non abrasive polish you can use inbetween. "



Correct, you can't use anything with cleaners/abrasives without removing your existing coats. Zaino doesn't make any paint cleansing-type of product. The Z-6 you are thinking of is their QD which is recommended before and after applying a coat of Zaino.
 
Good info Brad! The Zaino system is pretty straight forward, there really isn't any mysterious or secret tricks that some people use for better results. Just follow Brad's tips and you should be fine. The only thing left is to consider if you're going to use terry or foam pads. Personally, I prefer foam. Laters
 
Sounds great guys, good thing I got some help. I thought you had to apply this 6 stuff when the sun was on the rise and the 2 only every second week when the werewolfs are shedding but not too much because the z2 makes the oxygen around the car "negative" which will make the shine dull out .1 second faster than it should.



I don't know :)............ guess I do now. Just got to find a group buy thingy and get the package.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by joed1228 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Brad -

So if I use clay and a 3M polish I can just go nuts with the Z2... once I start using the Z2 I don't stop right? I know "redcarguy" said he had like 75 layers or something on his car. Is that the purpose of Z2? [/b]</blockquote>
Ya I think that I am up to 100 now. BUT!!!!!! I just orderd some 3m smr, I am going to try it on the satty first then on the SS. I think that I have some swirls down on the clear that I need to get out, Back when I started the Z I really didnt do the proper prep. O well 2 years of Z down the drain............
 
Whoa, so your just going to start over??? Maannnnn.



Yo Redcar.... Does the Zaino swirl easily? If so, would the Z5 fix these swirls without having to start over?
 
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