Is ONR really the way to go?
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xtremekustomz
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Johnnie27 said:
LOL I can tell that you really aren't trusting this product. If you wet down the whole car how are you going to keep it from drying and spotting? Maybe put the ONR into a spray bottle and spray it on the panel beofore you wipe over it? For some reason I think I have heard of someone spraying it on and then wiping off.
imported_bigfoot1
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Johnnie27 said:
No need to wet it first. ONR has polymers in it that will trap all dirt and take it away from the paint.
Old Pirate
AMG Classic Car Detailing
Going have to try this soon, no rain in my neck of the woods.
No offense to the guys that posted the pics but there is not really proper lighting in those shots. If someone really want to put to rest the disbelievers. Here is what needs to be done.
1. Polish the car to near perfection. Take a shot of the paint under 1000w lights.
2. Drive the car for a week or 2 get it nice and dirty.
3. Wash the car with ONR and take a shot of the same exact spot under 1000w light.
Thats the only way to truly convince people I think.
1. Polish the car to near perfection. Take a shot of the paint under 1000w lights.
2. Drive the car for a week or 2 get it nice and dirty.
3. Wash the car with ONR and take a shot of the same exact spot under 1000w light.
Thats the only way to truly convince people I think.
xtremekustomz
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Cork said:
Man I love those cars. My instructor at school has one and I'm planning on buying it when I get out. I think I'll end up buying this and using it on my truck when I get to Biloxi at the show. I can only imagine the looks I will be getting LOL I'll be sure to get some good pictures of some vehicles while I am down there. Also I wish I had taken my camera with me today when I went into town. I drove by the local "detail" shops and one of them had a boy that was maybe 10 out there washing a car with a wash brush on a 6' pole.
SuperBee364
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mbkintner said:
My wash method is very diferent than what you suggest...
I pressure spray the car, foam it, pressure spray it again, foam it, let it sit, use a very gentle BHB on it, rinse, and WW dry it. Most all of the abrasive stuff is off the paint before the BHB ever touches the surface. The only real risk here is the drying process. I don't use an MF mitt during the wash unless I'm going to be doing a polishing job on it afterwards.
Forgive us, guys. I keep seeing the positive reviews and still haven't convinced myself to try it yet. But I think I'm getting closer. Probably going to put in an order with AG to get some Menzerna and might throw in some of this to finally try it out.
I think I'd still have to hose down the car first just to get off all the loose dirt that I could before I start scooting around my microfiber on the paint surface. Maybe I can give that up once the product wins me over.
I think I'd still have to hose down the car first just to get off all the loose dirt that I could before I start scooting around my microfiber on the paint surface. Maybe I can give that up once the product wins me over.
Is ONR really the way to go?
Absolutely !!!
I began using rinseless washes about 1.5-2 years ago. Initially I limited use to select cars which were very clean to start with, a few times when I was running out of water or needed to conserve water, many top surfaces during the hot summer months. I limited my use mainly because of two reasons. Biggest reason was perception. Although I had confidence in the product I was concerned with what people would think when they seen me "washing their cars with plain water". The other reason was it took me longer to clean using a rinseless product. I've been mobile cleaning for 17 years and was pretty fast with a traditional wash. Finally about 6 months ago my speed had become comparible to normal washing and I totally believed in the product and it's benefits.
The benefits
1) Especially after repeated use the cars looked better than traditional washing.
2) No problems with using it in the heat. Traditional washing even with somewhat soft water on occasion gave me problems. Biggest were minor spotting and residue from soap and or dirt.
3) With warm water (thanks to whoever recommend the bucket heaters) I had no missed days this past winter because of the cold. One extreme morning in the 10's sent me home early. I ran into equipment problems and was ill prepared to fix them on the spot.
4) Saves water. I admit it is nice to fill my tank once a week instead of daily. I also don't leave parking lots wet. Even if water run off isn't enforced I think it is rude to have water running across a parking lot. "Potential customers" probably don't enjoy driving through your stream. I hate when I clean my own car and have to drive through water.
5) Less chemicals. Since I ONR to clean wheels, tires, wells and the exterior. I use no Car Wash soap and very little APC, Wheel or tire cleaner.
6) Wax / Sealants last longer? Not sure if it is true but ONR seems like it would be less harmful to a LSP than traditional washing.
7) Easier and faster. Filling a bucket with a few gallons of water and not pulling the hose around and rinsing is easier. It saves me a little time now too. It took me 100's of ONR washes to get as fast as traditional washes.
8) Less marring. I've seen very few cars over the years that have little to no scratches and marring. I do mainly washing and very little detailing. Speed it critical to making money. I've always taken reasonable steps to reduce wash marring. I'd be lying if I said I washed the same cars 52 times a year and didn't introduce some marring along the way. With ONR I introduce less.
There are a few cars I will get use a hose on but usually that is just for the wheels, tires and wells. Once the mud and heavy stuff is gone I wash as normal with ONR. I use a 2 gallon tank sprayer on wheels, tires, wells. If there are heavy areas behind the wheels or bird bombs I'll clean those first with the sprayer and a few MF towels.
Absolutely !!!
I began using rinseless washes about 1.5-2 years ago. Initially I limited use to select cars which were very clean to start with, a few times when I was running out of water or needed to conserve water, many top surfaces during the hot summer months. I limited my use mainly because of two reasons. Biggest reason was perception. Although I had confidence in the product I was concerned with what people would think when they seen me "washing their cars with plain water". The other reason was it took me longer to clean using a rinseless product. I've been mobile cleaning for 17 years and was pretty fast with a traditional wash. Finally about 6 months ago my speed had become comparible to normal washing and I totally believed in the product and it's benefits.
The benefits
1) Especially after repeated use the cars looked better than traditional washing.
2) No problems with using it in the heat. Traditional washing even with somewhat soft water on occasion gave me problems. Biggest were minor spotting and residue from soap and or dirt.
3) With warm water (thanks to whoever recommend the bucket heaters) I had no missed days this past winter because of the cold. One extreme morning in the 10's sent me home early. I ran into equipment problems and was ill prepared to fix them on the spot.
4) Saves water. I admit it is nice to fill my tank once a week instead of daily. I also don't leave parking lots wet. Even if water run off isn't enforced I think it is rude to have water running across a parking lot. "Potential customers" probably don't enjoy driving through your stream. I hate when I clean my own car and have to drive through water.
5) Less chemicals. Since I ONR to clean wheels, tires, wells and the exterior. I use no Car Wash soap and very little APC, Wheel or tire cleaner.
6) Wax / Sealants last longer? Not sure if it is true but ONR seems like it would be less harmful to a LSP than traditional washing.
7) Easier and faster. Filling a bucket with a few gallons of water and not pulling the hose around and rinsing is easier. It saves me a little time now too. It took me 100's of ONR washes to get as fast as traditional washes.
8) Less marring. I've seen very few cars over the years that have little to no scratches and marring. I do mainly washing and very little detailing. Speed it critical to making money. I've always taken reasonable steps to reduce wash marring. I'd be lying if I said I washed the same cars 52 times a year and didn't introduce some marring along the way. With ONR I introduce less.
There are a few cars I will get use a hose on but usually that is just for the wheels, tires and wells. Once the mud and heavy stuff is gone I wash as normal with ONR. I use a 2 gallon tank sprayer on wheels, tires, wells. If there are heavy areas behind the wheels or bird bombs I'll clean those first with the sprayer and a few MF towels.
If anything, this product makes one killer QD at a unit cost that can't be beat.
If you decide to use it only as a QD, you would still get your money's worth and then some. :woot2:
Makes a great engine wipedown. It will definitely take out greasy gunk in your engine bay you thought only came off with a strong APC application.
If you decide to use it only as a QD, you would still get your money's worth and then some. :woot2:
Makes a great engine wipedown. It will definitely take out greasy gunk in your engine bay you thought only came off with a strong APC application.
I think there's plenty of room for discussion on any product. That's this board's raison d'etre.
But without having tried it personally and formed one's own opinion, it's pointless to argue with anyone else's experience or opinion, subjective though it may be.
And I agree, at a certain point, when all your questions have been answered, it's either try it or don't.
Oh wait, in honor of Star Wars' 30th anniversary "Do or do not...there is no try".
Although I've been reluctant to try it, the one thing that keeps pulling me back to trying ONR is all the strongly positive reviews by several well-respected members of the Autopia community. Without that, I may have dismissed it out of hand.
But without having tried it personally and formed one's own opinion, it's pointless to argue with anyone else's experience or opinion, subjective though it may be.
And I agree, at a certain point, when all your questions have been answered, it's either try it or don't.
Oh wait, in honor of Star Wars' 30th anniversary "Do or do not...there is no try".
Although I've been reluctant to try it, the one thing that keeps pulling me back to trying ONR is all the strongly positive reviews by several well-respected members of the Autopia community. Without that, I may have dismissed it out of hand.
SuperBee364
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simracer said:I think there's plenty of room for discussion on any product. That's this board's raison d'etre.
But without having tried it personally and formed one's own opinion, it's pointless to argue with anyone else's experience or opinion, subjective though it may be.
And I agree, at a certain point, when all your questions have been answered, it's either try it or don't.
Oh wait, in honor of Star Wars' 30th anniversary "Do or do not...there is no try".
Although I've been reluctant to try it, the one thing that keeps pulling me back to trying ONR is all the strongly positive reviews by several well-respected members of the Autopia community. Without that, I may have dismissed it out of hand.
Exactly. I would have called "snake oil!" and left it at that. Seeing Scottwax and the boys using it is the best incentive I can think of toward trying it. The pictures, especially.. that was one dirty truck he used it on. And if he says it didn't mar the paint, you can be darn good and sure it didn't mar the paint. The pictures of the car were great, too.
OK, I'm convinced. I'm gonna order me up a gallon, swallow real hard, and *shiver* wash my car with it.
I really like the idea of an inexpensive QD, too.