joe.p
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Beemerboy said:
Is Klasse AIO overpriced, over the hill?
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jaybs02
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joe.p said:
CalgaryDetail
Mike
where is jngrbrdman. im supprised he hasnet responed to this thread, i know he is a big fan of the klasse line.
awd330
"Beep Beep"
Yes, that's true. I dropped my bottle about 2 feet to the concrete floor. While it didn't completely shatter, it did crack and I lost about an ounce or two of product before I could transfer the remainder to a different container.CharlesW said:
FWIW, PwC would be my first choice for an AIO substitute. My second choice would be Vanilla Moose. If I intended to top with a finicky sealant like SG, I would use a dedicated polish rather than risk a potential bonding issue with a carnauba based one-step product.
mg031
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Another alternative that works real well with Klasse SG is Jeffs Werkstatt's Prime. This i believe this is from the same mfr of Klasse just the new updated version of the product. Prime comes in different grades.. more acrylic sealant, with carnuba (like pwc) with more abrasive polish. The cost is about the same but i believe it to be a better product.
I too like PWC and use it most of the time (except when using Zaino, Klasse, AJ.)
Another nice AIO type product that i've used is FK1's #215. I like it's cleaning properties and final finish better than AIO.
I too like PWC and use it most of the time (except when using Zaino, Klasse, AJ.)
Another nice AIO type product that i've used is FK1's #215. I like it's cleaning properties and final finish better than AIO.
joe.p
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jaybs95 said:
Beemerboy
Just One More Coat
joe.p said:
wannafbody
wannafbody
jaybs95 said:
To a point you are correct. As a pure paint cleaner AIO is probably very good. But how often are you just cleaning paint without doing a full polishing session to remove swirls? If polishing is required AIO seems to add an extra step.
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joe.p
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Beemerboy said:
HondaMan
2004 Civic EX magnesium
It's not inexpensive, but for those of us not in the business of detailing, I find 1 16.9-oz bottle will last me 1 1/2 years which isn't bad.
It gives me one more 'cleaning round' to take stuff off while giving me a decent base. So if I apply LSP on top, I have by my count 1 1/2 layers of sealant (I count AIO as 1/2 layer
). It's better than just 1 layer and if I get that 2nd one on I'm up to 2 1/2 layers.
It gives me one more 'cleaning round' to take stuff off while giving me a decent base. So if I apply LSP on top, I have by my count 1 1/2 layers of sealant (I count AIO as 1/2 layer
). It's better than just 1 layer and if I get that 2nd one on I'm up to 2 1/2 layers. Actually I was doing it fairly often when I was using Klasse AIO and 4 Star UPP.wannafbody said:
Swirl removal was a twice a year thing, maybe even less if I was lucky. The UPP usually got applied every 4 to 6 weeks and I would use the AIO about every 3 to 4 months to remove any accumulation of UPP. The 5 to 50 layers of sealant never really appealed to me.
As far as polishing or swirl removal, using the AIO did add a step, but with the combination I was using, I felt it was worth it. Applying the AIO is pretty fast and easy so it was no big deal.
A couple of freebies I have done for friends, I did in two steps. Meguiar's #80 followed by Meguiar's NXT Tech Wax. Looks good. As far as durability, I just give them the bottle of NXT and tell them to use it every month or so. I have no idea if they do or not.
Charles
comments about products can be subjective based on personal preference and visual imagiantion or reality. Some even resent expensive products just for the price, and therefore ln search of cheaper alternatives. Some were excited when Zaino came and chanllenged Klasse to the Crown, however, Zaino is not cheap either.
From my personal experience higher price is not synonymous with quality. An efficient small comapny can produce quality wax that out-performs Klasse but won't get credit for it just because it's cheaper than premium brands- PoorBoys and Optimum fall in this category.
Ultimately end users will determine superior products. Not detailers either because of the frequency with which many take care of their cars and layering of products inhibits objective tests and results. Customers cars that we use the product on will determine ultimate quality of a product.
Stop debating, watch your regular customers' cars for gloss, water beading, rust each time they come bye. Don't layer a different product use thesame all the time. Watch over 3,6,9,12 months or more for signs of weathering.
This is not a simulated test, it's the real test of the brutal environment from which these products should provide limited protection.
From my personal experience higher price is not synonymous with quality. An efficient small comapny can produce quality wax that out-performs Klasse but won't get credit for it just because it's cheaper than premium brands- PoorBoys and Optimum fall in this category.
Ultimately end users will determine superior products. Not detailers either because of the frequency with which many take care of their cars and layering of products inhibits objective tests and results. Customers cars that we use the product on will determine ultimate quality of a product.
Stop debating, watch your regular customers' cars for gloss, water beading, rust each time they come bye. Don't layer a different product use thesame all the time. Watch over 3,6,9,12 months or more for signs of weathering.
This is not a simulated test, it's the real test of the brutal environment from which these products should provide limited protection.
budman3
Detail time!
I don't think that there is a debate on whether or not these products listed in this thread are 'quality products'. I think it all comes down to user preference.
Back to the AIO subject.
1- Would I use AIO as a 1 stepper on an older vehicle? No
2- Will AIO remove or fill swirls/scratches? No
3- Would I use AIO to clean the paint after polishing to ensure a clean surface for bonding? Yes
4- Would I use AIO to strip any wax for a clean surface? Yes
5- Are there other products similar or could take place of AIO? In most cases, yes... but Jngbrdmans red truck with oxidation showed AIO is a mighty fine paint cleaner.
6- Is Klasse AIO overpriced? With all of its uses and the quality of the product I say no. It is surely more expensive than other products but so isn't Souveran compared to Natty's.
7- What other products do you use that you feel are a better buy? PwC and PwC. P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is another good one.
8- What other products do you use that you feel do a better job? Hard to say. AIO is very versitile. For paint cleaners, there are many products that do a good job. But for oxidation, AIO seems to get the upper hand (even though PwS/PwC did a great job as well, imo)
In the past I have done research and tested PwS, PwC, OCW and AIO for durability/slickness. Even though there aren't an pics up, hopefully the descriptions would be sufficient:
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/de...-pws-review-input-needed-2.html?highlight=pws
As for the cleaning ability of other products, I did a test spot on my Jeeps hard top of PwC, PwS and AIO and all did a good job, and since PwS is still being tested I decided to use that:
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/poorboysworld-com-sponsored-forum/18897-pws-win.html?highlight=pws
OK I think that's enough from me! Have a good weekend
Back to the AIO subject.
1- Would I use AIO as a 1 stepper on an older vehicle? No
2- Will AIO remove or fill swirls/scratches? No
3- Would I use AIO to clean the paint after polishing to ensure a clean surface for bonding? Yes
4- Would I use AIO to strip any wax for a clean surface? Yes
5- Are there other products similar or could take place of AIO? In most cases, yes... but Jngbrdmans red truck with oxidation showed AIO is a mighty fine paint cleaner.
6- Is Klasse AIO overpriced? With all of its uses and the quality of the product I say no. It is surely more expensive than other products but so isn't Souveran compared to Natty's.
7- What other products do you use that you feel are a better buy? PwC and PwC. P21S Paintwork Cleansing Lotion is another good one.
8- What other products do you use that you feel do a better job? Hard to say. AIO is very versitile. For paint cleaners, there are many products that do a good job. But for oxidation, AIO seems to get the upper hand (even though PwS/PwC did a great job as well, imo)
In the past I have done research and tested PwS, PwC, OCW and AIO for durability/slickness. Even though there aren't an pics up, hopefully the descriptions would be sufficient:
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/de...-pws-review-input-needed-2.html?highlight=pws
As for the cleaning ability of other products, I did a test spot on my Jeeps hard top of PwC, PwS and AIO and all did a good job, and since PwS is still being tested I decided to use that:
http://www.detailcity.org/forums/poorboysworld-com-sponsored-forum/18897-pws-win.html?highlight=pws
OK I think that's enough from me!
Have a good weekend
joe.p
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Now that you mention that.. i remember Holland Patrick did some testing with pro polish with different pads to show it has some correction abilities depending how you use the pro polish..cwcad said:
Don't laugh..but i have to many products and have just now started to figure out what my go to/favorite polishes are..when you have too many products you don't bond with one or the other until you have experienced with the many products that are available..
wannafbody
wannafbody
I agree that using AIO to remove a previous layer of sealant is probably a good idea. From my testing I've found some waxes and synthetic sealants absorbe dirt so removing that dirt is a good idea before adding another layer.
SVR
Dream Machines
CharlesW said:
I can't say whether it's overpriced or not but there are products in my possession which do the job better and last longer
Carlack 68 - similar to klasse but easier to apply and remove, better shine
Jeffs Werkstatt prime & AJ - orange peel free finish on some cars due to the level coating it leaves behing when used by machine and better finish and easy spray on, wipe off longer lasting protection.
Fireglaze double strength, Ultra gloss, Soft 99 fusso & a few others
Klasse I still use on interiors and other surfaces but not the paint.
thesacrifice
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I've recently purchase a gallon of Optimum Poli-Seal and am extremely excited to test it out. cleans, seals, and says it even has some minor correection properties in it. To me, this could be the Klasse AIO killer.
AIO will always have a place with me though, on my trim, under the hood, in the door jams, under the trunk etc....
AIO will always have a place with me though, on my trim, under the hood, in the door jams, under the trunk etc....
Using Klasse AIO on the trim works good since it doesn't leave any white residue.thesacrifice said:
As far as under the hood, the door jambs, under the trunk, etc., is there some particular reason for using the AIO in those locations? Whatever I'm using on the rest of the vehicle is what goes in those areas.
Charles
thesacrifice
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CharlesW said:
Cause I'm now using Poli-Seal for my car but still have plenty of AIO left, and its always looked good in those "hidden locations." Im using Poli-Seal by PC and have always used AIO by hand.