Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

I am only going by color Adams is jet black in color even wipe off towels have black tint. Art de shine is almost see through medium grey. I am not sure if SPS is the same as art de shine.

It`s my understanding that SPS is the U.S. distribution of Art d` Shine.

This is the SPS Graphene, kinda dark brownish. After application the leftover 5ml or so sat in cabinet for about 6 months, all the `dark` settled to the bottom, clear liquid on top. Shook the life outta it, applied to hood of fleet vehicle at work.
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Be ready for the SEMA boom. Let’s see who else follows but I would say expect to see it almost everywhere. Manufacturing ain’t dumb. They are smart to cash in on the buzz word and hype.

This could just turn into a Teflon thing of the past.

Who’s doing test panel SPS vs Ethos vs Adams. Hopefully the Adams price point will encourage SPS and other to come down a bit in price.

I am only going by color Adams is jet black in color even wipe off towels have black tint. Art de shine is almost see through medium grey. I am not sure if SPS is the same as art de shine.

maybe apex will do a graphene showdown video.

I also saw tax system has a graphene coating $185 for 30mls

And I official just saw the first mr fix knock off graphene coat for $9

Migliore has ONR thats $250. Doesn’t look that impressive.

Does the black tint really mean anything? SPS will leave a little color on the applicator but wipes of clear with no staining on the towels.

Those guys are already hyping graphene as a ceramic killer with no long term testing. Torture tests tell me little to nothing in my opinion.

Adams will be coming out with a maintenance line of graphene infused products as well. The product guy even mentioned their graphene coating used their ceramic coating as the foundation of their coating with graphene oxide added to it.

It`s my understanding that SPS is the U.S. distribution of Art d` Shine.

This is the SPS Graphene, kinda dark brownish. After application the leftover 5ml or so sat in cabinet for about 6 months, all the `dark` settled to the bottom, clear liquid on top. Shook the life outta it, applied to hood of fleet vehicle at work.
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You are right. Mine settles to the bottom as well.
 
It’s about the same then that’s how this one looks maybe I was looking at something else or a lite version

I did 4 coats on SUV including all glass except windshield that has GlassParency. Still have 20 mls left . First two coats were on autofiber saver then last two on block and suede. The Last coat I alway apply in circle motions the suede is good for that is this how the SPS ones look too
 

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After opening the bottle does a graphene coating have longer than 3 months shelf life?

I don’t know maybe look on there website. I think this whole graphene revolution is really just a different formulation of a coating with a new upgrade/ingredient. It just so happens that the new ingredient has so great plus’s like easier application, slickness, beading, water spot improvement. In 4 years graphene maybe be outed by some new agent.

I know max protect has a rubber coating that is different than anything else. Some Japanese coating have a hardening agent that is mixed at time of application. I also read somewhere a coating is in development based off kerosene. I also saw an article about a coating with boron nitrate and tungsten disulfide Ws2 nano particles they are suppose to be little spheres. I use an engine oil additive that references those two same compounds it’s called Rislone Nano Prime I bought it cause it had the word “nano”...... Does it work? Couldnt tell you to be honest. That what happens when you have Az prime.
 
I don’t know maybe look on there website. I think this whole graphene revolution is really just a different formulation of a coating with a new upgrade/ingredient. It just so happens that the new ingredient has so great plus’s like easier application, slickness, beading, water spot improvement. In 4 years graphene maybe be outed by some new agent.

I know max protect has a rubber coating that is different than anything else. Some Japanese coating have a hardening agent that is mixed at time of application. I also read somewhere a coating is in development based off kerosene. I also saw an article about a coating with boron nitrate and tungsten disulfide Ws2 nano particles they are suppose to be little spheres. I use an engine oil additive that references those two same compounds it’s called Rislone Nano Prime I bought it cause it had the word “nano”...... Does it work? Couldnt tell you to be honest. That what happens when you have Az prime.

Cquartz Nano prime spherical coating? Sign me up!


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If it`s that dark in the bottle I`d assume that it would darken paint when applied. Good for dark solids not so good for metallics.
 
I really do think Graphene is going to out sell ceramics. There will always be wax, coatings and now graphene. As long as it sells. And there is always going to be a slew of graphene spray coatings just like they sucked people into ceramic sprays. I do however honestly think graphene from SPS is better than ceramics. We still offer Modesta’s coatings, and we just advise clients on the difference and maintenance requirements and they make the decision. When they ask my opinion I tell them what I believe is best for the situation. We also now do zero bucket zero foam wash technique. And offer Dr Beasley’s new Z1 as a replacement for wax. After much research and messaging we feel for someone to pay me for correction we should give them something better that lasts longer than wax or sealant. My opinion on the subject


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I really do think Graphene is going to out sell ceramics. There will always be wax, coatings and now graphene. As long as it sells. And there is always going to be a slew of graphene spray coatings just like they sucked people into ceramic sprays. I do however honestly think graphene from SPS is better than ceramics. We still offer Modesta’s coatings, and we just advise clients on the difference and maintenance requirements and they make the decision. When they ask my opinion I tell them what I believe is best for the situation. We also now do zero bucket zero foam wash technique. And offer Dr Beasley’s new Z1 as a replacement for wax. After much research and messaging we feel for someone to pay me for correction we should give them something better that lasts longer than wax or sealant. My opinion on the subject


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I heard of zero bucket wash method but if you dont mind mexasking what’s zero bucket zero foam wash method?


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We don’t foam any cars to start. Just a thorough rinse. Highly recommend checking out final inspection detailing on you tube for the really good explanation


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I also don’t foam cars. I Ap spray lower parts of car plus tailgate and front bumper then do really good rinse. Then I spray Iron remover all over car let dwell 5 minutes. Then foam over top of iron remover let dwell some more then wash. While wet from rinse I use clay mite with Feynlab rinseless and dry. I go right into polishing or compound saves a lot of time.

on personal car I like to tinker with foam but not on someone else’s car.

to each there own what ever works for you
 
I also don’t foam cars. I Ap spray lower parts of car plus tailgate and front bumper then do really good rinse. Then I spray Iron remover all over car let dwell 5 minutes. Then foam over top of iron remover let dwell some more then wash. While wet from rinse I use clay mite with Feynlab rinseless and dry. I go right into polishing or compound saves a lot of time.

on personal car I like to tinker with foam but not on someone else’s car.

to each there own what ever works for you
Ever had issues with clay mitt (which one do you use?) and Feynlab Pure Rinseless as lube? I did, mostly from being sloppy, and definitely left streaks all over because I didn’t dry thoroughly or at all in some areas.
 
Adams posted some good information on their product. They made a good point on one of their videos on why they have the word ceramic in their name. They took their ceramic coating and added graphene oxide to the formula. I am sure SPS and Ethos are doing something similar. It then becomes another version of a ceramic coating (ie: SiO2, TiO2, SIC, etc..). This was mentioned on the recent Obsessed Garage podcast as well dated 7-31-2020 towards the end about the blender B&B and adding graphene oxide to the ceramic fomula.


Why is Graphene still called a Ceramic Coating?

Graphene alone will not form a coating. Period. Graphene is a flat non-reactive plane, it will not form a bond with other things.

Graphene coatings are coatings with graphene molecules grafted onto the ceramic backbone. If you think of the graphic of the graphene oxide, the tails you see sticking up are what is grafted onto the ceramic molecule. The Ceramic molecule bonds with the car, and the graphene portion of the molecule is on top, forming the surface of the coating.

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What`s The Difference Between Graphene And Traditional Ceramic Coatings?

Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coatings

What are they and Why are they different?

Description:

In the simplest terms, Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating™ and Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating™ are best described as evolutions on “traditional” ceramic coating technologies – the term traditional, as of this writing, referring to currently marketed ceramic coating offerings comprised of primarily quartz (SiO2), metal-oxides like titanium-dioxide (TiO2), silicon-carbide (SiC) and many others.

The R&D Process:

When we began formulating our Graphene Ceramic Coatings, we were seeking to improve upon the physical characteristics of our own ceramic coating offerings by providing them with additional hydrophobicity, chemical durability, scratch and mar resistance, gloss, slickness, and ease of application. We were interested in consolidating feedback into advancements in our coating technologies that would yield an even better experience for our customers.
What we determined was that the next frontier was likely to be utilizing technologies around graphene and incorporating this tech into our coatings and process.
To get very technical for a moment, what we’ve developed is a ceramic coating that has been modified via a reduced graphene-oxide (RGO). Graphene, a monolayer of graphite, is able to be oxidatively processed into graphene-oxide (GO) which makes the material vastly easier to process and formulate around. We can then combine this technology with some of the more traditional ceramic coating technologies to further retrofit them with additional properties while utilizing the ceramic coating’s ability to bond this matrix to the surface.

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Figure 1 – Example of a Graphene-Oxide Matrix.​

What we saw in quantitative and qualitative testing, in and out of the lab, was dramatically improved hydrophobic character, increased gloss, higher tensile strength yielding more scratch and mar resistance, and further improved resistivity to water spot etching and detergent washes – often taking in the hundreds of traditional car washes or even thousands of scrubs on our Elcometer Abrasion-Washability tester – See Figure 2.

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Figure 2 – Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating after 5000 back-and-forth scrubs with a sponge exerting 500g of pressure and a 5% Dawn Ultra Dish Soap solution.


Hydrophobicity and its Relation to the Self-Cleaning Effect:

The improved hydrophobic character can best be described as a dynamic hydrophobicity. That is to say the contact angle was improved, but only marginally, but the sliding angle of the coating was dramatically lowered – that is the degree of tilt was found to be much less to get movement of water. This has huge ramifications on the effectiveness of the Lotus-Leaf Type “self-cleaning effect” offered by the coating, a primary attribute. The water will be observed to get off the surface much more dramatically than what’s seen on our current coating offerings.

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Figure 3 – Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating contact angle with Deionized Water.​
Compare & Contrast:

The application of Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating™ and Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating™ are similar to what you’d expect from our current ceramic coating offerings, with a few key differences. An individual would find that the graphene offerings tend to cure more rapidly, so it some ways it may be found to be less user friendly – particularly in hot and humid climates which will accelerate the cure as well. However, the graphene offerings will also be found to be more highly slick and produce a higher level of gloss as the coating film is thicker due to a higher overall activity level compared to the quartz coatings – some of our highest actives coatings yet! Despite the higher activity, individuals will be surprised to note that the graphene coatings don’t have as harsh of an odor as the quartz coatings too.

One special characteristic we found in development of the graphene coatings were that they have a strong affinity for practically any external automotive surface. We’ve presented the Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating™ and Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating™ as multi-surface coatings because they truly were appropriate for all manner of substrates be it paint, wheels, plastic trim, chrome, glass, rubber or metal. This provides additional ease of use to the end user because they are able to coat more surfaces utilizing a single bottle.

Maintenance:

Maintenance for the two types of coating technologies is very similar and the use of SiO2 based protection is still perfectly valid and acceptable as the Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating™ and Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating™ still contain SiO2 based ingredients and will interact well to bolster and maintain the finish produced by the coatings.

Adam’s UV Ceramic Glow Technology™:

Thankfully, we were also able to formulate the coatings such that all Adam’s Polishes’ offerings of ceramic coatings have our patent-pending UV Ceramic Glow Technology™ which aids in the application of the coatings and allows visualization of the film post cure to ensure high spots are leveled properly and all surface area is properly coated.

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Figure 4 – Demonstrations of UV Ceramic Glow Technology™.

Summary:

Again, it’s best to view Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Coating™ and Adam’s Graphene Ceramic Spray Coating™ as a necessary evolutionary step to ceramic coating technologies and not as simply a “carbon coating”. This is a reduced graphene-oxide system and it’s intended to retrofit traditional quartz-based ceramic coatings with additional functionality and improved physical characteristics.
 
Ever had issues with clay mitt (which one do you use?) and Feynlab Pure Rinseless as lube? I did, mostly from being sloppy, and definitely left streaks all over because I didn’t dry thoroughly or at all in some areas.

I actually use a brand from AliExpress called Marflow there clay pads are not expensive and good quality. I buy the king clay pad it’s there most aggressive. It costs less that $10 I’ve been use for last three years I go through 1-2 per year. I also use the mothers clay bar for tar spot or citrol 266
 
There is no ceramic in SPS. And at the price that Adams is charging, can’t be much Graphene.


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There is no ceramic in SPS. And at the price that Adams is charging, can’t be much Graphene.


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From Adams:Why is Graphene still called a Ceramic Coating?

Graphene alone will not form a coating. Period. Graphene is a flat non-reactive plane, it will not form a bond with other things.

Graphene coatings are coatings with graphene molecules grafted onto the ceramic backbone. If you think of the graphic of the graphene oxide, the tails you see sticking up are what is grafted onto the ceramic molecule. The Ceramic molecule bonds with the car, and the graphene portion of the molecule is on top, forming the surface of the coating.


Sorry, forgot to add that this was taken from The Guz quote.
 
The only advantage I can see as really being beneficial is that the graphene may allow multiple coats to anchor to each other better.
 
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