Is Graphene the next big thing for coatings?

[The Guz]

Anyone have a contact to SPS? looking to dip my toes into my first certified coating

Contact them through facebook or on their actual web page (surfaceprotectivesolution).

 

[TroyScherer]

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@The Guz

Do you have any plans of a side-by-side panel comparing the Graphene coating to one of the popular long term Si02 coatings? On a test panel or even a full hood of a vehicle? I would love to see the differences compared directly.

A long time ago I remember reading a post where someone did a testing using color charged waxes on a white Panel. (Dodo I think) It showed that you could "tint" the color of a vehicle by using these waxes. So my question is will the same thing be true with the SPS Graphene since it is a dark color in the bottle?

 

[DaveT435]

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@The Guz

Do you have any plans of a side-by-side panel comparing the Graphene coating to one of the popular long term Si02 coatings? On a test panel or even a full hood of a vehicle? I would love to see the differences compared directly.

A long time ago I remember reading a post where someone did a testing using color charged waxes on a white Panel. (Dodo I think) It showed that you could "tint" the color of a vehicle by using these waxes. So my question is will the same thing be true with the SPS Graphene since it is a dark color in the bottle?

One of the characteristics of Graphene is that it dries clear.

Sizzle Chest mentioned something about a darkening on the first vehicle he did, it was a darker color though, if I remember correctly. Maybe he can elaborate.

You can put clear ceramic on some paint and it will have a darkening affect as well. The affect is more the paint than the product.






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[The Guz]

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@The Guz

Do you have any plans of a side-by-side panel comparing the Graphene coating to one of the popular long term Si02 coatings? On a test panel or even a full hood of a vehicle? I would love to see the differences compared directly.

A long time ago I remember reading a post where someone did a testing using color charged waxes on a white Panel. (Dodo I think) It showed that you could "tint" the color of a vehicle by using these waxes. So my question is will the same thing be true with the SPS Graphene since it is a dark color in the bottle?

It does not change the color of the paint. My silver car is still silver.

https://www.autopia.org/forums/car-...ssion/191378-2020-ceramic-coating-1-test.html

 

[Sizzle Chest]

One of the characteristics of Graphene is that it dries clear.

Sizzle Chest mentioned something about a darkening on the first vehicle he did, it was a darker color though, if I remember correctly. Maybe he can elaborate.

You can put clear ceramic on some paint and it will have a darkening affect as well. The affect is more the paint than the product.






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It was Ford paint, Sterling Grey. It did ‘darken’ the look of the surface, most of the coatings I’ve used have done the same, but it did not change the color whatsoever.

 

[The Guz]

The car received it`s first wash last weekend. This coating is super hydrophobic and to quote waxmode oleophobic. Followed up with the spray detailer after blow drying the car.


The spray detailer like the actual coating has the graphene juice in it. Definitely shake up the bottle due to it settling within the bottle. There is nothing complicated about using this. It is a quick detailer after all that is easy on and easy off. The coating is already slick so the difference is negligible. The gloss under the coating is great and the difference is in gloss is minor at this point. I can say that the spray detailer does not have the same water behavior as the actual coating from testing it earlier in the year on a test panel.

Edit: Found the following information on the durablity of the SPS detailer. SPS claims up to 4 months of protection.


I will say that the slick feeling from this is great.


Low and behold it rained the next morning.

Can be used on multiple surfaces and on any forms of protection.

Enjoy the super hydrophobic properties after the first wash.

 

[bodidly22]

righto boys... what are we thinking about the Graphene??? Longevity aside, do you love it?? Is it worth the 3x cost vs. CQUK3.0?? How is it with hard water spots??. as an observer, the slickness seems a big advantage over sio2.

 

[atbalfour]

The car received it`s first wash last weekend. This coating is super hydrophobic and to quote waxmode oleophobic. Followed up with the spray detailer after blow drying the car.


The spray detailer like the actual coating has the graphene juice in it. Definitely shake up the bottle due to it settling within the bottle. There is nothing complicated about using this. It is a quick detailer after all that is easy on and easy off. The coating is already slick so the difference is negligible. The gloss under the coating is great and the difference is in gloss is minor at this point. I can say that the spray detailer does not have the same water behavior as the actual coating from testing it earlier in the year on a test panel.

Edit: Found the following information on the durablity of the SPS detailer. SPS claims up to 4 months of protection.


I will say that the slick feeling from this is great.


Low and behold it rained the next morning.





Can be used on multiple surfaces and on any forms of protection.











Enjoy the super hydrophobic properties after the first wash.

Ah - while that detailer looks nice my selfish motivation would have been to see how the coating performs on a standalone basis. Topping it blurs the lines somewhat - any coating will last pretty much indefinitely if topped and likewise all of the characteristics (gloss, water behaviour, slickness, self cleaning), at least for the next while will likely be imparted by your new LSP!

That said, I`d struggle to keep my hands off it either

 

[The Guz]

righto boys... what are we thinking about the Graphene??? Longevity aside, do you love it?? Is it worth the 3x cost vs. CQUK3.0?? How is it with hard water spots??. as an observer, the slickness seems a big advantage over sio2.

For me it is still too early to claim it is going to take over. I will say the slick feeling of the coating is by far better than most quartz coatings tacky feel. As I mentioned think CSL/Exo but on another level. I can`t say about water spots as I have not had a quartz coating spot on me.

Ah - while that detailer looks nice my selfish motivation would have been to see how the coating performs on a standalone basis. Topping it blurs the lines somewhat - any coating will last pretty much indefinitely if topped and likewise all of the characteristics (gloss, water behaviour, slickness, self cleaning), at least for the next while will likely be imparted by your new LSP!

That said, I`d struggle to keep my hands off it either

There is another test panel for that on my year long coating test. The rest of the paint will be maintained with the detailer to see how IGL F4, SPS Graphene and the SPS Spray Detailer all play together.

 

[bodidly22]

thanks Guz

 

[The Guz]

Quick update but unfortunately Graphene is not going to be the miracle product we all wanted it to be when it comes to water spotting.

Will post photos and video in a bit.

 

[The Guz]

As promised. If we look at the included pamphlet that comes with SPS they clearly state decreases water spot prevention but at the same time water spot prevention.

Unfortunately that is not the case. It appears that water spotting is still going to happen. My hood is peppered in water spots in various areas in various sizes. I was only able to see them under the garage lights. After I finished the video, I took some CarPro Sportless and Optimum MDR and neither of them did anything. Although they never really work that well.


I am one month in with SPS graphene on the paint and topped with the graphene dpray detailer after the first wash.


Examples of what I am referring to.

Forensic detailing also posted a video on his channel with similar results on the art de shine graphene coating covered in water spots.

 

[Loach]

Thanks for the update Mike! I`ve always been a bit curious as to the water spot resistance claims of coatings from different chemists and manufacturers. Would like to know how they`re setting their testing up to observe this resistance, and baselining that against a control section. I don`t think I`ve ever seen any of the coatings that I`ve worked with provide a clear resistance advantage against spot etching.

 

[FunctionalDoc]

Would like to know if you have any experience Artdeshine`s Metal Oxide Coating made with ATO (Antimony Tin Oxide). i was wondering since this metal based coating vs SIO2 thta it might not have a water spot issue. Would great if can undergo the torture car long term testing. thanks for your videos and methodical studies. Rick

 

[The Guz]

Would like to know if you have any experience Artdeshine`s Metal Oxide Coating made with ATO (Antimony Tin Oxide). i was wondering since this metal based coating vs SIO2 thta it might not have a water spot issue. Would great if can undergo the torture car long term testing. thanks for your videos and methodical studies. Rick

I have no experience with that coating. It is on the list of future coatings to try.

 

[DaveT435]

As most of you know very shortly into it I decided not to rep the SPS line. I still use the line and really like the products. Nothing is going to 100% resistant to water spotting, especially when you look at some of the sources of water that can get on the surface.

My water at 220 PPM has spotted it, I wasn’t doing a side by side test so I don’t know how much less spotting if any occurred. When I run my water through a portable water softener and can get it down to about 30 PPM. At 30 PPM I washed my car in high noon full Texas sun and the light spots that were left after air/sun drying wiped right off. 30 PPM I believe would be pretty similar to rain water and environmental deposits.

I have seen a side by side water spot test against a well known ceramic and there was more than a slight difference, I would say in the neighborhood of 70% difference. I will definitely pass this on to Brett and I’m sure tests will be done to support the claim with photo/video documentation or I’m pretty sure the claim will be removed. The statements about what will possibly happen are strictly my opinion based on knowing Brett.

Thank you for the honest input Mike, I appreciate and I’m sure a Brett will as well. I’m not on here much these days but if I get any feedback I’ll try to pass it along. Have any of you other guys had any issues with water spotting or anything else?

 

[The Guz]

Adams is getting into the Graphene game.

Possibly a relabeled exhausting product?

I don’t think graphene is game time ready and it’s not ready to dethrone current ceramic coatings. These are just my current observations and opinion.

 

[bodidly22]

makes my decision of recently coating the wife`s new Mazda with CQUK 3.0 even more satisfying.

 

[The Guz]

makes my decision of recently coating the wife`s new Mazda with CQUK 3.0 even more satisfying.

You made a great choice. CQUK 3.0 is a great coating in my experience.

 

[The Guz]

Here is Adams. They are calling there’s Graphene ceramic coating.

They have a spray coating as well. Both using their UV technology for application.

Coating claims

Graphene is coming out of the woodwork fellas. We shall see if it lasts or if it’s the next flavor of the month.