Miami_Sunset
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i notice more and more are using Quick Detailer's, QEW, waterless wash, SPray wax, spray sealants etc.. Im beginning to think we want the easy way out. :yes:
Is Detailing EVOLVING ?
- Thread starter Miami_Sunset
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That's probably true to some extent.Miami_Sunset said:
One thing that has evolved is the products. I've been messing with cars a long time and the products of today would have been considered magic in the old days.
Today, a person with any ability at all can turn out a good looking vehicle. Obviously, those with more skill turn out some unbelieveable vehicles.
Years ago, even the most skilled had a tough time matching the average good job of today.
The really talented ones can turn out good jobs with any product, great jobs with the good products. The rest of us can turn out more than acceptable work with the good products we have at hand.
Having done the car care thing both ways, I like easy!
Charles
Jngrbrdman
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All I smell is the death of carnauba...
mgm2003
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CharlesW said:
So true Charles... I've been at this for over 15 years ( do the math.... that's less than a third of your age -ha ha), and the products really are much better.
I'm just kiddng with you Charles (but the product really are getting better)..
Mikeyc
TheDetailingHandBook.com
Almost every detailing post I read says: put XXX sealant on toped with XXX wax. So, it would seem to me that wax is selling at least as well as any sealant. Long live carnauba!!! :yes:Jngrbrdman said:
mgm2003
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Again.... your sense of humor has me rolling.
Have a good night Charles!
Have a good night Charles!
Brenton
aka PEI Detail
I'm a small detail shop. 90% of my customers pay for a Sealant upgrade for $5 ($20 upgrade for Klasse Sealant Glaze; $40 upgrade for Liquid Glass, but few get that). The only customers that use Carnauba are funeral home operators (layers of Souveran), and seasonal fleets. Of course, I layer it on everytime I have an hour or two.
Edit: I don't trust spray waxes. The liquid sealant is a step for me. I like paste the most, though the PB's liquid sealants are my most used product.
Edit: I don't trust spray waxes. The liquid sealant is a step for me. I like paste the most, though the PB's liquid sealants are my most used product.
Jngrbrdman
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Mikeyc said:
You've been here for two months. Read a few more posts and you might revise that statement.
There are reasons people layer carnauba on top of sealants. One reason is that they just can't break the habit. I layered carnauaba over wolfgang for awhile until I realized that it actually looks better without the wax. The other reason they do it is because not all sealants have evloved to the point where a wax topper isn't necessary. Klasse shine is so sterile that it needs a carnauba topper to take the edge off. The only reason wax is used at all when a sealant is being used is for appearance. When the sealants evolve and take care of the protection and the appearance then people won't need waxes anymore. Wolfgang is a good model for that.
bigron62
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i still like carnuba for some jobs like dark cars or red so my big thing is ease of application and easy removal and its way easier then it used to be years ago. im also a fan of gel tire dressing
Jngrbrdman
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That's interesting because I usually grab a sealant because its easier to apply than a wax. Not many waxes that look as good as a sealant can be applied by a PC like sealants can. Even fewer will be able to protect or look as good.
Mikeyc
TheDetailingHandBook.com
I may have only been on this website for two months. However, I've been reading other detailing websites, reading the detailing forum on my owner's club website, and talking to detailing enthusiasts much much longer than that. So, I don't really intend on revising my statement. While DC is a great website, it is not the only place one can interact with other detailing enthusiasts and gain detailing knowledge.Jngrbrdman said:
Anyway, I personally feel like carnauba and sealant are like ketchup and mustard. Ketchup and mustard are both condiments and they both make your food taste better and they taste great when used together. However, just because there is now honey mustard which is great that doesn't mean ketchup is going away.
I have never used a sealant on my personal car only on the cars of friends & family and only because of durability. I am willing to put more effort and time into my own car so I use what I feel gives me the best look and that's carnauba.
There are a lot of factors which go into choosing an LSP such as durability, depth of shine, gloss, ease of application, brand preference, and price. I've probably even missed a few factors. There is no such thing as one LSP which is the best for everyone. There is only the LSP which is best for you and your preferences.
I'm not quite up there with Charles, but I'm close. I'll take easy any day. My first experience with heavy duty obsessive detailing involved using Cadillac Blue Coral polish and wax on my brand spanking new 1961 Covair Monza. It was quite a job even on a small car. A two step process. Both steps a PIB. Since then I've messed with about every product that has come out. Right now I'm pretty much sticking with NXT and a pc. It doesn't get much easier. 
Tom
Tom
Jngrbrdman
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no fair quoting me on the definition of best. And I know there are more places than DC to discuss detailing. I'm sure waxes will still be made for years and years if for no other reason than the fact that people will buy them. The fact remains that new sealants that are coming out don't benefit from an LSP. If that trend keeps up then people using sealants will someday have no use for a carnauaba. What is it really for anyway? If the sealant takes care of the looks you are going for, then what do you need a carnauba for?
The sealant vs. carnauba debate is interesting to me, but probably for a different reason than most of you.
I've used a lot of different products over the years and what the ingredients were or the reason they worked was never a consideration. All I cared about was the results and ease of use.
If it was supposed to clean and it did, great.
If it was supposed to polish and it did, great.
If it was supposed to shine and protect and it did, great.
If it was difficult to use or didn't do the job I was looking for, it was history. (FWIW, an awful lot of products fell into that history category
)
As to why it did or didn't do the job, I didn't care in the least.
One thing I really notice in the past 10 years is that very few products don't do the job. The choices of good polishes, cleaners and LSP's is absolutely amazing.
And most of them are easy. I like that.
Charles
I've used a lot of different products over the years and what the ingredients were or the reason they worked was never a consideration. All I cared about was the results and ease of use.
If it was supposed to clean and it did, great.
If it was supposed to polish and it did, great.
If it was supposed to shine and protect and it did, great.
If it was difficult to use or didn't do the job I was looking for, it was history. (FWIW, an awful lot of products fell into that history category
)As to why it did or didn't do the job, I didn't care in the least.
One thing I really notice in the past 10 years is that very few products don't do the job. The choices of good polishes, cleaners and LSP's is absolutely amazing.
And most of them are easy. I like that.
Charles
G35stilez
Ari Gold
Jngrbrdman said:
Ditto.
Also, the ease of use of sealants will go up (IE: spray sealants).
Carnauba wax is a very popular term among the masses. Almost everyone has at least heard of it while many have used it. One thing to keep in mind is that the percentage of car owners that actually read online detailing forums or brand specific forums (Acura, BMW, Saturn, etc.) is VERY low compared to how many people actually own, lease and drive cars. So most people probably do not know about the new, easier to use sealants that are available. When is the last time that you saw a Four Star, Wolfgang, Zaino or Menzerna commercial on TV?
If EVERY automotive forum reader and lurker, took a hardline stance against carnauba wax, it probably wouldn't even make the evening news! LOL Maybe it would but probably as something that people laughed at because most folks are not as fanatical as we are. A website devoted to nothing but auto detailing???? My close friends don't even understand why I have a detailing website.
Think about this, hardly anyone on the forums talks about or uses Liquid Glass much anymore. Think that company is hurting for business? No way! They sell millions of dollars worth of product every year. Same with Nu Finish, Turtle Wax Armor All and all of the other mainstays that are thriving in spite of many higher quality and easier to use products that can be found at online specialty companies.
I don't think there will ever be a "death" of carnauba wax. It may be safe to say that there is most certainly a new wave of popularity in polymer sealants with the online crowd for sure, but there is plenty of room in the marketplace both carnauba wax products and polymer wax products to compete with and even compliment each other.
Dwayne
If EVERY automotive forum reader and lurker, took a hardline stance against carnauba wax, it probably wouldn't even make the evening news! LOL Maybe it would but probably as something that people laughed at because most folks are not as fanatical as we are. A website devoted to nothing but auto detailing???? My close friends don't even understand why I have a detailing website.
Think about this, hardly anyone on the forums talks about or uses Liquid Glass much anymore. Think that company is hurting for business? No way! They sell millions of dollars worth of product every year. Same with Nu Finish, Turtle Wax Armor All and all of the other mainstays that are thriving in spite of many higher quality and easier to use products that can be found at online specialty companies.
I don't think there will ever be a "death" of carnauba wax. It may be safe to say that there is most certainly a new wave of popularity in polymer sealants with the online crowd for sure, but there is plenty of room in the marketplace both carnauba wax products and polymer wax products to compete with and even compliment each other.
Dwayne