Interesting comparison between Duragloss 101 and Zaino AIO

S

Scottwax

New member
I was at CarQuest today and figured I'd try out some Duragloss products. I picked up Duragloss 101 and Aquawax based on the great reviews I have seen here.



While looking over the label on Duragloss 101, something caught my eye. A warning about "alphatic hydrocarbons" that sounded familiar. I then realized where I had seen the same warning before-on my bottle of Zaino All in One. There are the only two products I have ever seen with a specific warning about alphatic hydrocarbons. Intersting...:nervous2:



zaio_dura101.jpg




dura101_1.jpg




zaio1.jpg




The directions are quite similar as well and both recommend removing with 100% soft cotton cloths.



:hm
 
Interesting.



I doubt they are the same, and I'm sure all the Zaino fanboys will chime in as well. Let us know what you think of them when you use them.
 
I'm not saying they are the same but the similarities are pretty strong...same product consistancy too. 101 is white with a light chemical scent and ZAIO is green with a light scent (can't really identify it) with chemical undertones. I have both products, I can try them side by side.
 
Yeah, once in a while when we have some threads here about private labeling, limited number of chemical companies and detailing base-material suppliers, etc., I ponder over the fact that the Zaino products really seem to have no analog...except that the DG line has many similarities (the Z1 activator and the DG PBA, for example). Obviously, Sal doesn't have a chemical plant in his basement, so it would make sense that he has no exclusive chemicals (and the spate of WOWA products would seem to indicate the recent availability of some chemical that made them all possible). It's certainly all interesting.
 
Scottwax said:
I'm not saying they are the same but the similarities are pretty strong...same product consistancy too. 101 is white with a light chemical scent and ZAIO is green with a light scent (can't really identify it) with chemical undertones. I have both products, I can try them side by side.
Click to expand...



I'll be looking forward to a comparison post if you do go ahead with one.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Yeah, once in a while when we have some threads here about private labeling, limited number of chemical companies and detailing base-material suppliers, etc., I ponder over the fact that the Zaino products really seem to have no analog...except that the DG line has many similarities (the Z1 activator and the DG PBA, for example). Obviously, Sal doesn't have a chemical plant in his basement, so it would make sense that he has no exclusive chemicals (and the spate of WOWA products would seem to indicate the recent availability of some chemical that made them all possible). It's certainly all interesting.
Click to expand...



You say many but give one example of a outdated product that zaino no longer produces.



What does the rest of Sal's house look like? From your post its obvious that you have been there before....



Just yesterday someone else said that a friend knows exactly what is in Z2pro. Now you know that Zaino has no exclusive chemicals. I give away my metabo if I could be as smart as you guys....:grinno:
 
So, which came first? The chicken or the egg?? :nixweiss







wannafbody said:
I think alphatic hydrocarbons are a type of solvent. Try googeling it and see what you can find.
Click to expand...



A very generic ingredient health warning.



Aliphatic hydrocarbon:



Hydrocarbons having an open chain of carbon atoms, whether normal or forked (branching side chain sites), saturated (-CH2-CH2-) or unsaturated (double bond between carbon atoms H-C=C-H).
 
gmblack3a said:
You say many but give one example of a outdated product that zaino no longer produces.



What does the rest of Sal's house look like? From your post its obvious that you have been there before....



Now you know that Zaino has no exclusive chemicals.
Click to expand...



I'm going by the accounts of other members who have said the DG polishes (note the quaint terminology) have similar qualities.



I haven't been to Sal's house, describing Sal's "basement" was a bit of poetic license, but I know he's not manufacturing chemicals in his little suite fronting on Rt. 9 next to his neighbors The On-Site School of Insurance and The UPS Store. He certainly isn't Dow, BASF, FMC, etc.



I don't know why you have the ascerbic tone, I have a full shelf of Zaino products, including all the latest (ZAIO, CS), and have called them here "without peer". I was simply musing about how out of a sea of detailing products that are more the same than different, his products seem to be the ones that are different, and how DG seems to have been the closest. Perhaps it's just coincidence or conspiracy-theory thinking.



Can you tell me how you get exclusive chemicals? Do you have to build your own plant? Or can you just ask Dow to invent something for you or use your formula to make a little batch? Airbus is building a huge airplane called the A380; it's the biggest passenger jet in the world. Boeing isn't building a comparable plane, do you know why? Not because they can't, but because Airbus won the first order, and Boeing didn't think the market was big enough to cover the develpment costs of two super-liners. So it could be that a detailing product supplier could make a really great product with non-exclusive base chemicals, for an exclusive market that isn't big enough to support a lot of players. It's called a market niche.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Can you tell me how you get exclusive chemicals?
Click to expand...





That is the reason why rarely a detailing product can obtain a patent. Unless, you invent / engineer chemically the base ingredients or purchase the source of these products, it would be impossible to stop another company from purchasing such items.



Patenting construction (mixing) of universally available base ingredients and additives is also difficult to prove as "unique" and patentable.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I'm going by the accounts of other members who have said the DG polishes (note the quaint terminology) have similar qualities.



I haven't been to Sal's house, describing Sal's "basement" was a bit of poetic license, but I know he's not manufacturing chemicals in his little suite fronting on Rt. 9 next to his neighbors The On-Site School of Insurance and The UPS Store. He certainly isn't Dow, BASF, FMC, etc.



I don't know why you have the ascerbic tone, I have a full shelf of Zaino products, including all the latest (ZAIO, CS), and have called them here "without peer". I was simply musing about how out of a sea of detailing products that are more the same than different, his products seem to be the ones that are different, and how DG seems to have been the closest. Perhaps it's just coincidence or conspiracy-theory thinking.



Can you tell me how you get exclusive chemicals? Do you have to build your own plant? Or can you just ask Dow to invent something for you or use your formula to make a little batch? Airbus is building a huge airplane called the A380; it's the biggest passenger jet in the world. Boeing isn't building a comparable plane, do you know why? Not because they can't, but because Airbus won the first order, and Boeing didn't think the market was big enough to cover the develpment costs of two super-liners. So it could be that a detailing product supplier could make a really great product with non-exclusive base chemicals, for an exclusive market that isn't big enough to support a lot of players. It's called a market niche.
Click to expand...



First off airbus sucks! I worked on their garbage A310s, back in the early 90s and thank god the carrier I work for now has the slogan.."If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going"...:spot



The A380 is a big flop and it is costing airbus alot. Most if not all of the real carriers have cancelled their orders. So was it that Boeing could not built it or did not see a need to build it, even before scarebus got the first order.



Again you are 100% positive that formulas are not being worked on at this place? Do you really know or is it just the opinion of some members here?



So if somebody came to a big player in the market and said, "I can make you a product just like zaino, change the color and smell...." Don't you think we would have many companies that offer the samething as zaino? As far as I see it, we don't.
 
gmblack3a said:
First off airbus sucks! I worked on their garbage A310s, back in the early 90s and thank god the carrier I work for now has the slogan.."If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going"...:spot
Click to expand...



After flying on an Airbus, I derinitely agree! I never flew in a plane that made so many creepy noises on take-off and landing. :nervous2:
 
gmblack3a said:
The A380 is a big flop and it is costing airbus alot. Most if not all of the real carriers have cancelled their orders. So was it that Boeing could not built it or did not see a need to build it, even before scarebus got the first order.
Click to expand...



Boeing and Airbus both had concepts for super jumbos. Looking back, it does seem that Boeing dropped theirs before Airbus launched the A380, because they didn't think it was a large enough market.





gmblack3a said:
Again you are 100% positive that formulas are not being worked on at this place? Do you really know or is it just the opinion of some members here?



So if somebody came to a big player in the market and said, "I can make you a product just like zaino, change the color and smell...." Don't you think we would have many companies that offer the samething as zaino? As far as I see it, we don't.
Click to expand...



I'm quite confident that Zaino is not operating a chemical manufacturing facility a hundred yards from Rt. 9. Is he formulating there? I'm sure. Is he blending/bottling? I doubt it, but maybe.



In answer to your other question, I think if I went to Meguiar's or Mother's and told them I could make them a product like Zaino, and that they could sell 5,000 bottles a year, but it would be so expensive that they would have to direct market it because they wouldn't be able to get the price down low enough to support multiple levels of resale or be of interest for the big chains, I think they would laugh me out of the door. They aren't interested in a niche market product, even if they could make 10 times the profit that they make on their current products...it wouldn't amount to that much for 5,000 or 10,000 bottles a year. There are over 3000 Wal-Marts in the US, if they each have a case of 12 NXT bottles on hand, that's 36,000 bottles, and that doesn't count the Targets, Pep Boys, etc.



Meguiar's didn't think there was enough market for #16 here in the US to justify reformulating for VOC, they don't care about niche markets. We don't see any other companies selling $1500 jars of wax like Zymol does...is it because only Zymol can get the ingredients, or because no one else thinks there is a large enough market for $1500 wax? Why doesn't Ford make a car like the Corvette or the Viper? Why doesn't Chevy or Chrysler make a car like the GT? Why did GM stop making the F-Body? Is it because they can't? Or because they aren't interested in that market? Why do people get CG's stuff private labeled? Because they think they can make a niche with their marketing approach even if they are selling the same stuff as someone else.



blkZ28Conv said:
That is the reason why rarely a detailing product can obtain a patent. Unless, you invent / engineer chemically the base ingredients or purchase the source of these products, it would be impossible to stop another company from purchasing such items.



Patenting construction (mixing) of universally available base ingredients and additives is also difficult to prove as "unique" and patentable.
Click to expand...



Um...I think that's proving my point.



This has gone way off topic, and my musing about things has been demonized. I still haven't used anything as good as Zaino, I simply have wondered whether the secret to its uniqueness is a secret ingredient or just marketing genius.
 
Yes going way OT here:



New 600hp vette and viper coming soon.... Not as exclusive as the Ford GT, but the present models of each Z06 and vper already run as fast as the GT on a track. Why did Ford stop making the GT? Shame on them!
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Can you tell me how you get exclusive chemicals? Do you have to build your own plant? Or can you just ask Dow to invent something for you or use your formula to make a little batch? Airbus is building a huge airplane called the A380; it's the biggest passenger jet in the world. Boeing isn't building a comparable plane, do you know why? Not because they can't, but because Airbus won the first order, and Boeing didn't think the market was big enough to cover the develpment costs of two super-liners. So it could be that a detailing product supplier could make a really great product with non-exclusive base chemicals, for an exclusive market that isn't big enough to support a lot of players. It's called a market niche.
Click to expand...



Ding Ding pretty much right on from what I would take it. You can however get exclusive chemicals if you look a little into organic chemistry you will see there are millions upon millions of possible combinations of each element. But I do not believe that Zaino did this.
 
gmblack3a said:
So if somebody came to a big player in the market and said, "I can make you a product just like zaino, change the color and smell...." Don't you think we would have many companies that offer the samething as zaino? As far as I see it, we don't.
Click to expand...



No because you would still have to pay royalties to them or whoever owns the base compound. And if they signed any type of exclusivity agreement that would make it impossible.
 
Steelth said:
No because you would still have to pay royalties to them or whoever owns the base compound. And if they signed any type of exclusivity agreement that would make it impossible.
Click to expand...



They all pay that to Warner chemicals, so why would they not pay it to this "other company?"
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top