Initial review of Finish Kare FK1 Pink Wax

SilverLexus said:
The thing is that ShoKar may be delivering great results but with no independent test, I am skeptical to believe the duration times here since based on my 20 years experience detailing cars I have never seen a product do that.
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I don't know that either Anthony or I are making any claims regarding Shokar's durability. The products give excellent appearance but for how long has yet to be determined.



It will be quite some time (hopefully!) before I know what kind of durability I will be getting from either Pink Wax or the Shokar system.
 
Finish Kare said:
Finish Kare Product Durability -



Sealers



1. 2180 1+ years

2. 218 6 months - 1 year

3. 216 90-120 days

4. 215 90-120 days



Waxes



1. 1000P - 1+ year

2. 164 - 6 months -1 year

3. 2685 Pink Wax 90-120+ days
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With figures like this, where can I get some samples of the sealant and glaze. I will be fair .... but that's all I can promise.
 
Finish Kare said:
Finish Kare Product Durability -



Sealers



1. 2180 1+ years

2. 218 6 months - 1 year

3. 216 90-120 days

4. 215 90-120 days



Waxes



1. 1000P - 1+ year

2. 164 - 6 months -1 year

3. 2685 Pink Wax 90-120+ days
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I've never done this on Autopia...but I am going to have to call shaningans :hm on these durability claims without some proof.



I have never used a product that lasts 365 days. Please...show me the light.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of listening to wild-arse claims of durability. It's nothing but BS. Carnauba lasts 30-45 days in a good environment. Typical sealants last 60-120 days at best. Your paint finish may continue to shine, bead water or be slick, but that has little to do with protection.



No one has invented a protective coating that's harder or more durable than your clearcoat, and you loose an average of .0005 inch of paint thickness yearly on an unprotected finish. I'm sorry, but no wax/sealant coating comes close to .0005 inch. So, excuse me, but I call BS.



If you can't back it up with factual lab test reports... don't say it here because I'm going to shut you down. Period. Present facts or nothing at all.
 
DavidB said:


If you can't back it up with factual lab test reports... don't say it here because I'm going to shut you down. Period. Present facts or nothing at all.
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Glad you chimed in. I've been going over their website and couldn't find anything to substantiate these durability claims. Doesn't mean they don't have some good products but proof of claims will quiet all.
 
We did not intend or expect to create any controversy or arise any outbursts of emotion. Its only wax. You can take it or leave what we say. We were injecting our findings from 40 + years at Finish Kare and another 30 + years at Mxxxxs. The profile of our customer has not typicly been a consumer. Our bread and butter is Manufacturing of every kind.



We just received a new color laser printer today when we had questions about what types of paper were acceptable to use we contacted the manufacturer vs guessing what might work and risk damaging the machine.



To say something is impossible is is to have a closed mind to possibility and progress will never be made with a closed mind. 50 years ago most people would have thought the internet was impossible if not crazy. Even 15 years ago who would have thought it. And yet here we are in front of our monitors buyng other peoples stuff on Ebay, sharing information, finding and communicating with anyone at any point on earth and maybe beyond (The Space Station).



Impossibility is only within the mind or the mind that wants you to believe its impossible.



From your factual standpoint if everything said was factual in this forum there would be very little said. 90+ percent is most likely individual perception.



If you would like to test the products we would greatly appreciate it. If this is strictly an exclusive commerce site we respect that as well.



Cheers

:xyxthumbs
 
Finish Kare said:
We did not intend or expect to create any controversy or arise any outbursts of emotion. Its only wax. You can take it or leave what we say. We were injecting our findings from 40 + years at Finish Kare and another 30 + years at Mxxxxs. The profile of our customer has not typicly been a consumer. Our bread and butter is Manufacturing of every kind.



We just received a new color laser printer today when we had questions about what types of paper were acceptable to use we contacted the manufacturer vs guessing what might work and risk damaging the machine.



To say something is impossible is is to have a closed mind to possibility and progress will never be made with a closed mind. 50 years ago most people would have thought the internet was impossible if not crazy. Even 15 years ago who would have thought it. And yet here we are in front of our monitors buyng other peoples stuff on Ebay, sharing information, finding and communicating with anyone at any point on earth and maybe beyond (The Space Station).



Impossibility is only within the mind or the mind that wants you to believe its impossible.



From your factual standpoint if everything said was factual in this forum there would be very little said. 90+ percent is most likely individual perception.



If you would like to test the products we would greatly appreciate it. If this is strictly an exclusive commerce site we respect that as well.



Cheers

:xyxthumbs
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No one said it was impossible....we just asked for proof of your claims...that should be immensely possible.
 
70+ years of experience, including time at Meguiars, doesn't mean that you have some wax that lasts 1+ years.



Since you are able to detect protection for over a year, what method are you using to test this? What scientific information can you share with us, so we may better understand?
 
Finish Kare said:
We did not intend or expect to create any controversy or arise any outbursts of emotion.
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The outburst, as you call it, comes from people publishing claims as fact. All I did was say what other people were thinking and are too polite to say.



When you, a representative of the manufacturer of the information, publish such figures it's called marketing. Check the rules... marketing and customer mining are not allowed.



The problem with marketing in this kind of community is that it causes outbusts of hate and discontent. Members will make up their own mind about manufacturer products.



Scottwax did you a great service by trying your products and reporting his findings. In no way was it necessary for you to chime-in with marketing information. Please see the warning on the home page in BIG RED LETTERS.



Thanks!

db
 
DavidB said:


Scottwax did you a great service by trying your products and reporting his findings. In no way was it necessary for you to chime-in with marketing information.
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Just to make things perfectly clear, I got my sample from 04Cobra and have had not contact whatsoever with Finish Kare. Kyle was kind enough to let me try a product he really likes. I think it is only natural when you find something that works well for you to see if others feel the same.
 
Scottwax said:
Just to make things perfectly clear, I got my sample from 04Cobra and have had not contact whatsoever with Finish Kare. Kyle was kind enough to let me try a product he really likes. I think it is only natural when you find something that works well for you to see if others feel the same.
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Yes I gave Scott the sample of the Pink Wax. He and myself have nothing to do with Finish Kare. I found this product through another member and was very impressed with it. So I thought I would pass it along to Scott in the hopes that he may like it.
 
Suspicion, defensive behavior, emotional overreactions, open attacks and rejection. Bravo!



Am I the only one who thinks that the behavioral barometer has fallen to the bottom? Ahh yes, managing a community can be highly challenging because its highly subjective nature... When Scott says 'it is pink', is it objective enough? Someone might think 'no, it is DARK pink'. And ahh, the rules... But what is when someone is ANSWERING to a question. Even when it is a representative - it was about a smeary matter, called wax! And yes, a LOT of things depend on a few hundred shiny cars.



I think FK' post was rather helpful and informative, nevertheless.

Do you really think THEY NEED Autopia to be able to carry on with their work? Let them have time to react!



I'm sure, if I could know that this very day will be a similar war, I wouldn't visit the site.



"We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." Just my more then 2 Euro-cents...
 
Bence said:
Suspicion, defensive behavior, emotional overreactions, open attacks and rejection. Bravo!



Am I the only one who thinks that the behavioral barometer has fallen to the bottom? Ahh yes, managing a community can be highly challenging because its highly subjective nature... When Scott says 'it is pink', is it objective enough? Someone might think 'no, it is DARK pink'. And ahh, the rules... But what is when someone is ANSWERING to a question. Even when it is a representative - it was about a smeary matter, called wax! And yes, a LOT of things depend on a few hundred shiny cars.



I think FK' post was rather helpful and informative, nevertheless.

Do you really think THEY NEED Autopia to be able to carry on with their work? Let them have time to react!



I'm sure, if I could know that this very day will be a similar war, I wouldn't visit the site.



"We come to love not by finding a perfect person, but by learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." Just my more then 2 Euro-cents...
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Hi Bence - I am finally going to the post office and will let you know the shipping cost.
 
Scottwax said:
Just to make things perfectly clear, I got my sample from 04Cobra and have had not contact whatsoever with Finish Kare. Kyle was kind enough to let me try a product he really likes. I think it is only natural when you find something that works well for you to see if others feel the same.
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Scottwax,



My mistake... I thought the samples were provided by Finish Kare.

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I'm willing to admit that I may have over reacted on this issues. However, the rules are pretty clear on the issue of unwanted marketing.



Was I too sensitive in the case of Finish Kare? I'm not perfect... speak up. If I was, then it has been suggested to me that we amend the rules to make all questions to manufacturers go in the "Ask the Manufacturer" forum where it will be clear to all readers that the information may be of a "sales" nature.



db
 
David, this thread didn't start out as a question to the mfr., so "Ask the Manufacturer" wouldn't have applied in this one. FK just kind of chimed in here, and that's kind of difficult to control except by your "moderator" warning. I think you did the right thing.
 
DavidB .. Just my opinion... I do not think you over reacted and I am happy with the action you took, especially following the arrogance I detected in the post by the Finish Kare rep.



Put simply, if Autopia is allowed to become home to every snake oil salesman and every wild product claim, it will cease being of use to me (and I suspect to many others). We have something special here, a forum open to all, which really works and is of benefit to members and casual readers alike. Please keep up what you are doing. If you let one spammer freely hawk his products, how are you going to say no to others who want to do the same?



We have a large number of members who are associated with products in one way or another, one only has to read the contributions of these members to realize the difference between responsible, educational contributions and the sales pitch made by the Finish Kare rep in this thread.



Please do not back down or apologize for your actions. IMHO they were fully appropriate and well warranted.
 
I think most of Finish Kare's posts here are not "informing the consumer" but rather good old advertising.



So I don't think the action taken was bad. Misguided a little but that has been corrected.
 
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