Initial review of Finish Kare FK1 Pink Wax

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Scottwax

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I got a sample from 04Cobra-link to his review: http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49398&highlight=pink+wax



Thanks Kyle...and thank for the extra product you tossed in, that was very generous of you!



Anyway, I just got it yesterday so I really haven't had much time to play around with it. The wax is very soft, almost gel like...even softer than Natty's is. It has a solvent or chemical smell so it may not layer well but no matter, one application looks pretty nice.



I applied and removed it the way I use S100, Natty's or #16. A fender or two at a time and removed. It seems to haze very quickly and wipes off easily. I'd put its ease of use between S100 and #16.



I used it on a 2004 Nissan Titan that I have on a twice a month maintenance plan, so I'll be able to monitor the durability. I applied Pink Wax over an approximately 6-7 week old application of Glanz Wax (the truck's initial wax job). It didn't really change the appearance much other than to make it look wetter. Seems a very neutral looking wax, sort of like Natty's where it really doesn't affect the color (as in deepen it) but it just looks wetter and a bit deeper. So far, I really like it. :)



Here are a couple shots. No whole truck shots, too much shade on parts of the truck, it just wouldn't have turned out too well.



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This looks to a very interesting product, part sealant part wax. Would you still use a sealant? Does it layer? I'll be interested in it's durability and how long it looks wet. How slick does it feel?
 
Glad to hear your initial thoughts there Scott. I'm curious about your durabilty update!:D And your welcome for the extra item, just a little thank you for all of your help!;)
 
For maximum durability your supposed to let the product sit for 10-15 before wiping, this allows for the cationic bonding to occur. This information directly from a Finish Kare representative. :)
 
The FK site suggests using a sealant first, and then using the wax. It also says it's layerable. (I haven't tried layering it.)

I found that, although it adds some slickness, it seemed less slick than its 218 sealant.
 
gbackus said:
For maximum durability your supposed to let the product sit for 10-15 before wiping, this allows for the cationic bonding to occur. This information directly from a Finish Kare representative. :)
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:cool: I didn't have any instructions with it and the product was very easy to remove without waiting...and I was working in the sun so it was hazing very quickly. Next time I'll wait 15 minutes and see how that goes.



BigLeegr-if I need to use a sealant first on customer's cars, then I will just have to apply it right over a sealant since I normally don't have the opportunity to come back 24 hours later to apply a carnauba topper.



I'm thinking EX w/carnauba would make an excellent base.



Thanks for the tips, y'all! :wavey
 
Scottwax said:
:cool: I didn't have any instructions with it and the product was very easy to remove without waiting...and I was working in the sun so it was hazing very quickly. Next time I'll wait 15 minutes and see how that goes.
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I know when Spoiledman was trying some out on his car when I first got it, he forgot about it and left it on for something like 2 hours and according to him it came off really easily. I've let it sit for 30 minutes(doing other tasks like clean/dressing trim and tires, cleaning any streaks on glass, cleaning my pain in the *** honeycomb grill and scoops, etc.) and it came off really easily as well.
 
Not to promote but only to add a little product clarification.



A couple notes after reading this thread. With all Finish Kare FK1 waxes and sealants it is ideal to allow them to set for 10 -15 minutes before wiping excess film off. At this point your can layer your next coat or product. There is not a curing or waiting period between coats.



The longer you allow a Finish Kare product to dry prior to final wipe, the easier the excess is to remove.



Mazda and Ford when importing new vehicles to the USA from Japan and Australia they would apply a coat of Finish Kare 218 Poly Wipe prior to shipping. The excess film would not be removed until they reached the ports in California which could be weeks or months later. Doing this saved Ford millions of dollars in paint damage from salt water damage etc.



When layering various products it is best to do it in the following order by catagory



1. Glaze

2. Sealant (215,218,2180 ect)

3. Wax 2685, 1000P

4. Spray Detail



Ideally avoid washing a vehicle for 48-72 hours after applying any Finish Kare Sealer or wax. Though they can be layered imediately after buffing they will continue to cure for several days. As they cure they harden. As they harden they will get brighter and slicker. So to judge the true or maximum slickness or gloss etc may take several days.



If you apply products in this order you should get maximum adhesion.



All the products which incorporate the same tech as our mold release line which are designed to withstand really nasty environments (high temp, caustic chemicals etc) without things sticking ( sticking is really really bad). A vehicle hopefully will never see this so durability should be very good



We really enjoy reading everyones posts. They are very bennificial to us.





We hope our input helped



Cheers:xyxthumbs
 
Thank you Finish Kare for the input! I guess if the Pink Wax can be layered, it doesn't have any cleaners in it? Any input on durability of the Pink Wax and #2180? Thanks
 
Finish Kare Product Durability -



Sealers



1. 2180 1+ years

2. 218 6 months - 1 year

3. 216 90-120 days

4. 215 90-120 days



Waxes



1. 1000P - 1+ year

2. 164 - 6 months -1 year

3. 2685 Pink Wax 90-120+ days
 
The claimed durability of Finish Kare waxes is much longer than any other wax I've ever experienced.



You will excuse me for being a skeptic but you are a rep from Finish Kare, do you have any unbiased tests / studies that will back these claims?
 
gbackus said:
I know when Spoiledman was trying some out on his car when I first got it, he forgot about it and left it on for something like 2 hours and according to him it came off really easily.
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Yes I did apply it and forgot about it. It was about 2 hours from the time that it was applied until removed and it came off as easy as S100.



I am interested in trying the sealant (2180) but don't want to buy a gallon to find out it's just OK and don't want to buy a smaller bottle to find out it's the shizzle!:D
 
TOGWT said:
The claimed durability of Finish Kare waxes is much longer than any other wax I've ever experienced.



You will excuse me for being a skeptic but you are a rep from Finish Kare, do you have any unbiased tests / studies that will back these claims?
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I'll second this request for proof as those are some rediculously long durability times. :confused:
 
Most Finish Kares Products were developed for the manufacturers so yes they have been independently tested extensively over the years. The numbers given, for the most part, were taken from testing done by Companies like Ford Mazda VW etc. With Pink Wax ,being a new product, we did our own lab coat/clip board glossozmotron testing:). We also polled various professionals whose work is known to us for their results.



Its sad but we also test products by "half waxing" everything in sight so we can see what a finish looks like with and without a particular product over time.



Label us as "Reps" I guess but we really prefer the other 4 letter word Tech.



Our goal here is add clarification to speculation about the products. But the only results that really matter are the ones you come to when using ours or anyone elses products.



Cheers
 
"Most Finish Kares Products were developed for the manufacturers so yes they have been independently tested extensively over the years. The numbers given, for the most part, were taken from testing done by Companies like Ford Mazda VW etc. With Pink Wax ,being a new product, we did our own lab coat/clip board glossozmotron testing. We also polled various professionals whose work is known to us for their results."



That's nice but it's not really an independent test. Do you have the Ford results compared to other waxes?
 
What would you constitute as an idependent test. The Mfgs we have dealt with over the years do their own testing of the products. They report back their findings if they want. We do not necessarily receive a gold sealed report on a silver plater. Not to make light it would be nice but this is reality.



Do we have Ford result compaired to other manufacturers products. We can check it but it is doubtful. They really dont spend money to test products so they can be freely published to us, other Manufacturers or the world.



Have we paid for an idependent test. No it would not be seen as very objective.



Currently we are running a 6 month test of one of our waxes with a Japanese Auto Mfg. We went to the plant preped an applied the product to 6 vehicles. We go back periodically to test and examine. At the end of 6 months they will draw their own conclusions.



VW tested our Decontamination System against other methods on 100-200 vehicles. We were never given any results just an update to a 1991 TSB for our product in 2004.



We purchased a supposedly indepented study of products from Detail Plus for $7.95. A week later we were solicited to buy products from them.



It would be nice to have someone like Consumer Report test our products.
 
Finish Kare said:
Finish Kare Product Durability -



Sealers



1. 2180 1+ years

2. 218 6 months - 1 year

3. 216 90-120 days

4. 215 90-120 days



Waxes



1. 1000P - 1+ year

2. 164 - 6 months -1 year

3. 2685 Pink Wax 90-120+ days
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:scared Wow!!! Where can I buy some of these super waxes??



If I sealed with 2180 and topped with 1000P, I wouldn't have to protect my car for 2 years!!! :rofl
 
The thing is that ShoKar may be delivering great results but with no independent test, I am skeptical to believe the duration times here since based on my 20 years experience detailing cars I have never seen a product do that.



I wish Guru Reports would do quarterly updates on a website and accept no advertising. That would carry some credibility with me based on the people I know who helped on the Guru testing.
 
As long as I get 60-90 days out of a carnauba, I am happy.



I just applied Pink Wax to a customer's black Chevy Silverado and I see it about every 6-8 weeks on average since he usually drives his BMW 745 (yeah, tough choice, the truck or the BMW. ;) ). I know that the AIO/#16 combo I applied in early November was still going strong so I am not sure how that will impact the durability of the Pink Wax. :nixweiss I also have it on my own car, but since I test a lot of stuff on it, I don't know how long I can leave it unmolested. :p



Anyway, overall, I like the wax. It looks pretty good on black paint, decent depth and wet looking. My only real complaints are the smell is very strong, even after washing my foam hand pads last night, I still got a slight whiff of Pink Wax. The consistancy tends to make it tough to just get a little product onto the pad, it seems to be more of a wet gel than a paste. I guess it will just take me more practice to figure it out so I don't apply too much product.
 
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