Immigrants and Americans
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Brenton
aka PEI Detail
Unlike being Canadian, which requires only the allegiance of high taxes and less choice of re-runs.
jaybs02
New member
You're right Charles, here it is almost 100 years later and it is very appropriate.
Maybe it is time the it should be published again for more people to read.
"J"
Maybe it is time the it should be published again for more people to read.
"J"
maximv1
New member
while i am not racist by any means i am agree 100%. if you immigrate to a country you follow their laws and rules. your previous religion or laws are no longer primary.i we moned to a country in the middle ease, asia, etc. we would be expected to follow their way of life, why should it be different in north america? if i heard correctly, in vancouver sihks were suing to be able to wear their turbans instead of a helmet while riding a motorcycle, but me bron and raised in canada would be fined for the same thing? this type of stuff id a hugepet peeve of mine.
Brenton
aka PEI Detail
I was making a joke above, but there are two sides: 1) security, 2) how a nation is formed.
On security, I don't think it is a big deal that most Canadians who become American never let their dual citizenship slip even though they "forsake all others." And most Americans who go elsewhere rarely forsake their country. But for countries at war with America, it seems to me to be an issue as far as allegiance goes. But citizenship and allegiance are two different things. What one does with a "forsake all other countries" clause in immigration law will effect notion and affect much--either positively or negatively.
On #2, America has a radically different view than Syria and different from Canada and different from Israel. America moved past their ingenuity and creating-the-country phase sometime ago, at least by 1907 acc. to the quote. Canada has chosen a model of continuing to create the country. Syria is race & religion based, while Israel is historically-culturally-religiously based. I think America is limiting herself by her model, and becoming more like Syria and Japan and Iran, having an idea of quasi-race & ideology as centred and unchanging.
And it is the last reality that makes it so obvious why some Americans who have that "like it or leave it" mentality don't get any other model than the melting pot. But really, can a powerful and vulnerable giant like the USA afford the tossed salad approach of Canada? Maybe not.
On security, I don't think it is a big deal that most Canadians who become American never let their dual citizenship slip even though they "forsake all others." And most Americans who go elsewhere rarely forsake their country. But for countries at war with America, it seems to me to be an issue as far as allegiance goes. But citizenship and allegiance are two different things. What one does with a "forsake all other countries" clause in immigration law will effect notion and affect much--either positively or negatively.
On #2, America has a radically different view than Syria and different from Canada and different from Israel. America moved past their ingenuity and creating-the-country phase sometime ago, at least by 1907 acc. to the quote. Canada has chosen a model of continuing to create the country. Syria is race & religion based, while Israel is historically-culturally-religiously based. I think America is limiting herself by her model, and becoming more like Syria and Japan and Iran, having an idea of quasi-race & ideology as centred and unchanging.
And it is the last reality that makes it so obvious why some Americans who have that "like it or leave it" mentality don't get any other model than the melting pot. But really, can a powerful and vulnerable giant like the USA afford the tossed salad approach of Canada? Maybe not.
keeotee
Detailing Stare
I want to say upfront that I've had friends from a number of different countries, and in fact was laid off from work while some folk from India were not - and I'm fine with that (but that is another issue anyway).
There are those in this country today, more and more, that insist we play around with and change what has always worked so very well. They have all sorts of reasons why, but what they cannot give you is proof it works - long-term proof. But there is long-term proof that people coming from other countries, learning the language, at least their children, getting educated on America, and all around assimilating into the distinctly American culture and way of life has been highly successful.
I should hope those that come from other countries would not lose their heritage and language, would teach their children their heritage and language, but do not expect the rest of us ot learn their heritage, their history and their language.
I am willing to bet that those in the US clamoring for political correctness and ther tremendous need (supposedly) to not offend anyone at all costs, requiring spanish to be learned and so on, would be the very first to exclaim how wrong of us to go to another country and require them to speak English. It's called hypocricy and a double standard.
In time, we will reap the effects of not adhering to what has always worked so well concerning immigrants. However, I am afraid that by the time we learn the mistake - it will be too late.
Overreacting? I don't think so. Roosevelt seemed to think it was important enough to speak out about it in strong terms, and I think so too.
Finally, I would like to add, the folk from other countries that I have known have come here and have been good citizens and have contributed greatly and in good ways to the betterment of the US. They also have done all those things that immigrants used to do when coming here!
There are those in this country today, more and more, that insist we play around with and change what has always worked so very well. They have all sorts of reasons why, but what they cannot give you is proof it works - long-term proof. But there is long-term proof that people coming from other countries, learning the language, at least their children, getting educated on America, and all around assimilating into the distinctly American culture and way of life has been highly successful.
I should hope those that come from other countries would not lose their heritage and language, would teach their children their heritage and language, but do not expect the rest of us ot learn their heritage, their history and their language.
I am willing to bet that those in the US clamoring for political correctness and ther tremendous need (supposedly) to not offend anyone at all costs, requiring spanish to be learned and so on, would be the very first to exclaim how wrong of us to go to another country and require them to speak English. It's called hypocricy and a double standard.
In time, we will reap the effects of not adhering to what has always worked so well concerning immigrants. However, I am afraid that by the time we learn the mistake - it will be too late.
Overreacting? I don't think so. Roosevelt seemed to think it was important enough to speak out about it in strong terms, and I think so too.
Finally, I would like to add, the folk from other countries that I have known have come here and have been good citizens and have contributed greatly and in good ways to the betterment of the US. They also have done all those things that immigrants used to do when coming here!
Luster
COMPULSIVELY ANAL
Evidently they don't watch NASCAR either..... They pray before every race... :yes:CharlesW said:
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05SilverTRD
New member
I am 30 years old. When I was in kindergarten, I was in a class that was taught primarily in Spanish. My dad went to the school and requested that I be put in a class that was taught in English. The school told him that the law would not allow it. They had to place the English speaking kids in with the Spanish speaking kids to make it fair. So, somehow, it was fair for me to sit in a class that is taught in a foriegn language that I did not understand.
Living in Southern California I have been dealing with this all of my life. I have some very good friends that have come to this country the right way and I respect them for that. However, I have also had to live with seeing news stories about the INS getting sued because when they were in pursuit of people trying to enter this country illegally, the illegals got into an accident. This country needs to enforce the rules that are in place and punish those who are breaking the law. Not reward them by educating them, providing them medical care, and food stamps.
Living in Southern California I have been dealing with this all of my life. I have some very good friends that have come to this country the right way and I respect them for that. However, I have also had to live with seeing news stories about the INS getting sued because when they were in pursuit of people trying to enter this country illegally, the illegals got into an accident. This country needs to enforce the rules that are in place and punish those who are breaking the law. Not reward them by educating them, providing them medical care, and food stamps.
Luster
COMPULSIVELY ANAL
greyS60 said:
:yes: :yes: :yes:
Well-stated!!!
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Its funny, the guys i know from Mexico are real hard working, but they wont goto a free English class.
Whats that tell ya?
They are taught not to learn english, and let us adapt for them.
Its a passive agressive thing. Or a non violent protest or something, it surely isnt that they are dumb and lazy.
I joke around with them, i say if i went to Mexico to work, no one would learn english to help me out, if i went to France to live, no one would learn english to help me out, if i went to Russia, no one would learn english for me, so go learn english lazy ass.
What they say back is, Gringo you one, us 12, you learn spanish .
Whats that tell ya?
They are taught not to learn english, and let us adapt for them.
Its a passive agressive thing. Or a non violent protest or something, it surely isnt that they are dumb and lazy.
I joke around with them, i say if i went to Mexico to work, no one would learn english to help me out, if i went to France to live, no one would learn english to help me out, if i went to Russia, no one would learn english for me, so go learn english lazy ass.
What they say back is, Gringo you one, us 12, you learn spanish .
cwcad
New Normal
My parents were native born americans. their parents came from Norway. could not speak English at all when they arrived. Lived and learned in a norwiegian community until they could speak and write English. From that time forward my Grandfather refused to speak anything but English to any and all that came into his home.
as an aside...I bet the people in France, Russia, and my parents home country..norway for the most part all speak English now-a-days.
as an aside...I bet the people in France, Russia, and my parents home country..norway for the most part all speak English now-a-days.