I'm about to give up Klasse/P21S for Zaino (large pics)

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F1Crazy

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Weather and time permitting I'm going to make a switch from Klasse/P21S to Zaino next week.

Tell me what I'm going to gain making a switch, I'm posting 2 latest pics of my combo:



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I use Zaino almost every day on my customers car , recently I did the roof of my truck with the Klasse/S100 combo and I think I may have found a new favorite. I have noticed the Zaino has alittle more shine but that is on a silver truck. What's the exact combo you have on your BMW , did you use AIO , how many coats of SG? Thanks for the info in advance. BTW the car looks great:xyxthumbs
 
Wow! :bow Based on those pics I'm with 2wheelsx2. If Zaino makes a difference it would be a subtle one I think. The old carnauba vs. sealant appearance debate gets started from things like this! Heheh.
 
keep what you have, id be satisfied with that. klasse with p21s is a great combo, i wouldn't change a dang thing!!!!
 
If youre looking for durability, then Zaino is what you want...



However, if your looking for the exact shine and depth with your current combo, you will be disappointed with Zaino.





Ex Zaino user.
 
dude if your not happy with that you are completely obsessed or just looking for a reason to use a new product. Most people only wish their looked like that.
 
thomasfl said:
dude if your not happy with that you are completely obsessed or just looking for a reason to use a new product. Most people only wish their looked like that.
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I suppose you have a point. :D

Ain't nothin wrong with a little OCD.
 
Greg said:


Ain't nothin wrong with a little OCD.
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:D who on this board isn't?



I guess I'm looking to try something else as I've been completely satisfied with my current routine although a little bored.



What you see on that car is 3xSG in December followed by P21S twice, last in early February. I find working with SG very painful, removal and cure time are killing me and it's been like that on every vehicle. I'm going to skip SG on my wife's car and just use AIO with P21S since I'm very happy with that combo.

Bimmer, being my daily driver and I drive a lot, is exposed to the elements a little more than I'd like so durability is a big factor.



What I'm looking for in Zaino is increased slickness, reflectivity, ease of use and the fact that car looks freshly detailed after each Z7 wash.
 
I am switching from Zaino to the Klasse/P21S.



It is not that I do not like Zaino, I just want to try something different.
 
Based on the front-end picture of your 3 series BMW, I'd guess that you have less than 7k miles on it, right?



A true OCD bimmerphile would know that the entire leading edge of the hood, especially around the "kidney" grill is going to get sandblasted with paint chips after appx 15k miles. This looks really horrible on Steel Grey and black BMW's. This is so prevalent that I've been able to accurately guess the mileage of most of the CPO (certified used) BMW's on the local dealer's lot by simply counting the density of the paint chips.



Rather than focus on Zaino vs. Klasse, I'd recommend applying 3M Scotchcal paint protection film (i.e. Xpel, Invincashield, Stongard) to your BMW. I did on my 2000 M Coupe and 2002 WRX, but left off the hood section of my wife's 2001 330i.



There's nothing more disheartening to see the paint chipping off your BMW while your applying a coat of Zaino Z2..



Dean



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Dean,

The car has a little more than 10K miles on it and I already had to fix some chips, one big one on that fender you see. I guess it turned out OK. I don't like the look of the clear bra on the hood and the fender but I think about putting it on the bumper, the only thing that stops me is the fact that I'm going to install M-technik kit in the near future.





I like many things about Zaino and I'm just looking for some encouragement :D .



Maybe Detailking can post some pics of his Zainoed Steel Gray, they were always my benchmark. Where are you dude?
 
Bimmer, being my daily driver and I drive a lot, is exposed to the elements a little more than I'd like so durability is a big factor.
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F1Crazy this is what you will recieve with Zaino



So based on your expectations you should do well. I can agree with your statement about Klasse being difficult to work with. I find Zaino alittle touchy when applying but with the right technic and applicator it's very easy. I do think that Zaino is much slicker which IMHO helps on a daily driver by keeping contaniments from sticking to the surface. Z6 has go to be one of my all time favorite products because of the slickness it adds to the surface. Well now I'm rambling , good luck with your switch.
 
Ok...I've always wanted to get this out. I've never tried Zaino and really don't have any reason not to like it, except for that I have a black car and after seeing some pics on black, I like the carnauba look better but...



1. Why don't they have online ordering? They could do so much more business if Sal got with it on e-commerce

2. I don't like the fact that you can only use their products

3. I don't like not having a real polish that takes care of defects



Someday, I'd like to try it on our silver 350Z, but those things bug me about Zaino.
 
You won't seen a big difference.



Zaino will give you high shine while Klasse SG/S100 combo will give you a deep, wet look.



I can comment on Klasse's durability as 3 coats lasted 6 months on my truck with no topper and weekly washings. I stripped it at the end of 6 months during a full detail. 3 coats of Klasse SG with a topper will probably last a loooooong time.



I haven't tried Zaino on my truck yet but I do have some samples sitting here I still need to try. I saw a Silver L a few weeks ago that he said he had like 6 coats of Zaino on. I wasn't too impressed with it.
 
Whatever happened to just plain Klasse AIO/SG without waxing? That seemed to be the whole point to using Klasse (and Zaino, too, I guess) - long-lived protection for people who can't be relied upon to wax regularly (such as me).



So the question I have for you Klasse/P21S folks is, if you are regularly applying carnauba, why bother with the Klasse? What does it bring to the table?



I'm trying to decide what to use for my teen-aged son's first-ever detailing. I can't assume that he will religiously keep it waxed, so it's between Klasse and Zaino. (I happen to love 'em both). But if Klasse needs carnauba to keep up with Zaino, then Zaino is a slam dunk.
 
I have a new Silver-Grey M3 and I put down 2XAIO, 3XSG and a Souveran Topper X2. WOW! The depth of the shine is amazing. I ran into someone the other day with a new M3 Silver-Grey Coupe and all he could say is why can't I see into the paint like yours. Hey, it's elbow grease and hard work and great help from everyone on this forum. Thanks people!!!! I appreciate all of the help.

Bob
 
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