I never thought I'd have this product in my hands.
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Jngrbrdman
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4DSC said:
Like you could ever use 22 ounces of wax in one year anyway. Unless this stuff doesn't spread like normal wax, of course. It could spread like butter for all I know. This chunk might be enough for 2 cars or something. lol Well, I'll do all of Jennifer's car and half my car with it tomorrow. I'll compare it against P21S and we'll see how it goes.
Jngrbrdman said:
There in lies the problem. Zymol is not meant, nor marketed to the "average person". It is what it is, a super high end hand made wax to afford those who can part with the cash the opportunity to say that they use that kind of wax. If a super rich mega-anal, Type A car nut wants a solvent free super fine super safe wax for their ungodly expensive paint job, thats what they will buy. Its got nothing to do with your math or economics. These people wont even consider the others. Certinaly not trying to change your mind but you have to realize there is a flip side to every thought.
Steve @ Guru
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I think someone else nailed the comparison in another thread -- Zymol is the Bose of the detailing world. They would like you to believe certain things about their products, but the truth is quite different from the 'marketing' and 'hype'.
True, Zymol's high end waxes are decent -- but that's about all the farther I'd go. Is Vintage 50 times better than P21S? Nope. Is Vintage 20 times better than Souveran? Nope.
($1400/$25 = 56; $1400/70 = 20)
All this lifetime refill stuff is balogna - 99.99% of us here switch wax loyalty on a yearly basis. Does anyone believe that in 40 years there won't be some incredible new product that destroys everything we've ever known?
From Souveran to P21S, Klasse to Zaino, EF HI to EO TC, etc. We all change tunes more often than MTV.
Zymol is to Autopians as Bose is to Audiophiles.
PS: If I weren't concerned with potential legal repercussions, I'd share with everyone what's *really* in those expensive products...
True, Zymol's high end waxes are decent -- but that's about all the farther I'd go. Is Vintage 50 times better than P21S? Nope. Is Vintage 20 times better than Souveran? Nope.
($1400/$25 = 56; $1400/70 = 20)
All this lifetime refill stuff is balogna - 99.99% of us here switch wax loyalty on a yearly basis. Does anyone believe that in 40 years there won't be some incredible new product that destroys everything we've ever known?
From Souveran to P21S, Klasse to Zaino, EF HI to EO TC, etc. We all change tunes more often than MTV.
Zymol is to Autopians as Bose is to Audiophiles.
PS: If I weren't concerned with potential legal repercussions, I'd share with everyone what's *really* in those expensive products...
Steve @ Guru
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Avalanche said:
Sorry, trimmed down some bits there- but you're exactly correct. And, those same Type A's are the ones who believe that the Griot's version of the PC is really worth $199, when we all know you can buy a PC w/18001 backing plate for under $125. It's the elitist attitude-- "don't tell me the facts, I've already made up my mind!"
And, 4DSC - I'm ROTFLMAO - very good call!!
geekysteve said:Sorry, trimmed down some bits there- but you're exactly correct. And, those same Type A's are the ones who believe that the Griot's version of the PC is really worth $199, when we all know you can buy a PC w/18001 backing plate for under $125. It's the elitist attitude-- "don't tell me the facts, I've already made up my mind!"
And, 4DSC - I'm ROTFLMAO - very good call!!
DING DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner!!!
Lowejackson
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Everything is relative, this is expensive wax for sure, but should we knock it just because it is expensive? One of the nice things about this forum is we dont knock people's cars, it does not matter if you drive a cheap Ford or a Rolls Royce.
I say we wait for the full review
Steven
I say we wait for the full review
Steven
Jngrbrdman
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Avalanche said:
I am totally with you on that. With that reasoning then wouldn't Souveran fall into that catagory too? I mean, $60 or $70 bucks has always seemed like too much money for that wax. It is really fine stuff, don't get me wrong. I'd probably squeeze out $50 for it, but $70 is a little much. You can barely afford to use it at that price.
That is exactly why Zymol exists. Every product they make is created with that thought in mind. It may not be better, but at least its still Zymol. Its kind of like Harley-Davidson bikes. Every bike they make may not be the best bike in the world in comparison to others, but at least its a Harley-Davidson. I think geezer..er..cheezy...uhm....(I'll get it right one of these days
) geeky said: "Zymol is to Autopians as Bose is to Audiophiles." Man, that should be in your sig. LOLRedcar GUY
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What was this thread about again>?:nixweiss
imported_BretFraz
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Redcar GUY said:
Well, I was hoping it would include proper diction but I guess that one is out the window......
imported_Intel486
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geekysteve said:
How did you find out what is really in those products?
What legal repercussions could they have for you telling people what is in their wax? I'm serious here as I don't know the patent laws or whatever this would be classified under.
ClimberGuy4
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Vintage is cool and all, but I really want to see a Souveran vs. Royale thread. Well, I don't know if that's possible because I don't know if anyone owns the stuff. Isn't it 6 grand for 8 oz? And no refills...
Has anyone ever gone through the zymol process (hd-cleanse followed by one of their "estate" waxes)? I just want to know how their prodcts compare.
Has anyone ever gone through the zymol process (hd-cleanse followed by one of their "estate" waxes)? I just want to know how their prodcts compare.
Jngrbrdman
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Nah, this thread isn't even off the rails yet. I think a little discussion about the acutal monetary value of a product is really good.
Anyway, it slushed all day today. I got home and my car looked like Redcar GUY's Saturn did. So, I got out the shovel and did the driveway and proceded to wash my car. It is just warm enough out there that the driveway dried without icing up. (whew)
The first order of business was to figure out how to store this chunk. I shook out a nearly empty jar of Pinnacle Paste Glaz into another jar and used the empty one for the Vintage. Attached is the picture of how much it was. There was still some extra too. Not a whole lot. The way this stuff goes on by hand it would probably be enough to do a hood or something.
Applying this stuff with your bare hands sucks. It seriously is like rubbing soap all over your car. You know how we compare products like Souveran and P21S to butter? Butter spreads smooth and almost greasy like. This stuff applied like you were rubbing a warm bar of soap on your car. I tried to melt it in my fingers like I was supposed to but that just seemed to be using up far too much product. I shoved it into the PPG jar and used a new foam applicator instead. It worked much better. I would still have to say that it applies harder than Souveran or PPG does. Its just not quite as smooth. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.
The only two things that I can say about it right now is that A) it doesn't go on as easily as Souveran or P21S and B) I would swear that it darkens the paint slightly. I'll have to get it in some sun (or at least better light than at 6 PM in the evening) before I can tell better.
I did the whole passenger side with Vintage and the driver side with P21S. Since P21S was the victor of the last duel (P21S v Souveran) I figured this would be a good trial for it to defend its title. I want to see how the slush and spray from driving reacts to the two sides of the car. I'd like to see what kind of dust attraction it has too. It doesn't seem to have the oils that either Souveran or P21S have in it. I almost expect the dust attraction to be more minimal than the P21S. We'll see. So far I'm pleased though. It looks really good in the garage. I need a black car to test this stuff on. Spring needs to hurry up and get here.
Anyway, it slushed all day today. I got home and my car looked like Redcar GUY's Saturn did. So, I got out the shovel and did the driveway and proceded to wash my car. It is just warm enough out there that the driveway dried without icing up. (whew)
The first order of business was to figure out how to store this chunk. I shook out a nearly empty jar of Pinnacle Paste Glaz into another jar and used the empty one for the Vintage. Attached is the picture of how much it was. There was still some extra too. Not a whole lot. The way this stuff goes on by hand it would probably be enough to do a hood or something.
Applying this stuff with your bare hands sucks. It seriously is like rubbing soap all over your car. You know how we compare products like Souveran and P21S to butter? Butter spreads smooth and almost greasy like. This stuff applied like you were rubbing a warm bar of soap on your car. I tried to melt it in my fingers like I was supposed to but that just seemed to be using up far too much product. I shoved it into the PPG jar and used a new foam applicator instead. It worked much better. I would still have to say that it applies harder than Souveran or PPG does. Its just not quite as smooth. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, just an observation.
The only two things that I can say about it right now is that A) it doesn't go on as easily as Souveran or P21S and B) I would swear that it darkens the paint slightly. I'll have to get it in some sun (or at least better light than at 6 PM in the evening) before I can tell better.
I did the whole passenger side with Vintage and the driver side with P21S. Since P21S was the victor of the last duel (P21S v Souveran) I figured this would be a good trial for it to defend its title. I want to see how the slush and spray from driving reacts to the two sides of the car. I'd like to see what kind of dust attraction it has too. It doesn't seem to have the oils that either Souveran or P21S have in it. I almost expect the dust attraction to be more minimal than the P21S. We'll see. So far I'm pleased though. It looks really good in the garage. I need a black car to test this stuff on. Spring needs to hurry up and get here.
chevyguy28
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I hope you applied in small sections and buffed off, otherwise you might need a beltsander later.
Nagchampa
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So people will now say "Holy crap! He's using $70 a jar wax!!" then you could turn around and say "Hell no, The Birdman only uses $1000 and up wax. I just put it in here 'cause I don't like to show off!"Jngrbrdman said: