I did a very very bad thing.

Soarer5 said:
RaskyR1, what is your technique for power washing and not getting the interior wet?



BTW I just noticed where you're from, my wife used to work at the Walmart before moving to VA.
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NO real technique...and really I only do it when the door jambs are very dirty as I feel it save a lot of time and I don't want to trash my mitts and brushes. I just pre-treat with an APC, rinse with pressure washer and then clean normally with a seperate mitt and various brushes if needed. Follow that up with a quick final rinse. If a few drops of water happen to land on the interior I wipe it up with a towel. It's not like water doesn't land on door panels when you get in the car during a rain storm...



LoiG37 said:
I found the perfect example of what Jean may be talking about



Hack clean doorjams video



YouTube - Mobile Car wash and Detailing
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Definitely not like that! I won't go above the window line and my pressure washer is set at a MUCH lower psi. I also have a shorter wand on my pressure washer.



JimmyCutlass said:
I soak with Safe D-Greaser, agitate with slide-lock brush and use the mist setting on my hose head. I call it the discontinued Meg's method. :cool:
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LOL. Yeah, bummer they discontinued them. :(
 
It does not have to be electronics IN the door jam. Just like that video that was posted, water can get inside. One slip is all it takes.



A client told me how his whole m5 wiring harness had to be replaced due to a detailer getting water behind the dash from pressure washing the jams.



Feel free to continue. But I won't take the chance. If I see a door jam like that I will pretreat with some p21s, agitate with a brush then rinse with a spray bottle of water. It won't take that much longer. That's just my way though.



RaskyR1 said:
Let us know if one of the hacks trys to contact you! :D





I do have one question about this statement...







What electronics are in the door jambs that can't get wet? I have used a pressure washer (1200psi) to rinse door jambs for over 20 years and can't see what possible damage can come from doing so???



How else do you recommend going from this

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To this?

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or just use a steamer to clean it. I don't think using water is a issue in the door jams. I think it's the amount of water that counts. If you have to much pressure then the water isn't controlled and is going all over the place . . . . . if its just flowing water from a water hose, pump sprayer or even a spray bottle not to bad.



Also, using a pressure washer with the motor off to spray water works very well in the door jams.
 
Two questions, do you have proof that purple power will eat away at clear coat? I've been using it on my personal car's wheels, jams, engine, sometimes if my car gets really grimy, I'll presoak the whole car with 50/50 PP/Water, and I've yet to have any signs of clear coat failure. Second being how does power washing the jams cause electrical damage? These are things I've been practicing in my mobile business, and I'd like to be informed, not taking anything away from you.



In regards to a DBA, its a trip to your town hall away, and Insurance is but a phone call away. It took me all of 3 hours, 1 of those talking to a lovely person at the IRA for my IEN.
 
HiMyNameIsSean said:
Two questions, do you have proof that purple power will eat away at clear coat? I've been using it on my personal car's wheels, jams, engine, sometimes if my car gets really grimy, I'll presoak the whole car with 50/50 PP/Water, and I've yet to have any signs of clear coat failure. Second being how does power washing the jams cause electrical damage? These are things I've been practicing in my mobile business, and I'd like to be informed, not taking anything away from you.



In regards to a DBA, its a trip to your town hall away, and Insurance is but a phone call away. It took me all of 3 hours, 1 of those talking to a lovely person at the IRA for my IEN.
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I've been told, first hand, by two different clients that they used pp on their wheels and showed me what happened. It did damage it. That or they happen to have cc damage right after using it. I don't suppose it has to damage after one use. But two different clients showed me damage.



Check here for some opinions on it http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-detailing-product-discussion/124242-purple-power-wheel-cleaner.html



More info on PP used on aluminum parts Purple Power ruined my bike - Honda Hawk GT Forum



Read the PP MSDS. It is NOT FOR USE ON REACTIVE METALS. Aluminum is a strongly reactive metal.



The electrical issue was noted in my last post.
 
HiMyNameIsSean said:
Two questions, do you have proof that purple power will eat away at clear coat? I've been using it on my personal car's wheels, jams, engine, sometimes if my car gets really grimy, I'll presoak the whole car with 50/50 PP/Water, and I've yet to have any signs of clear coat failure. Second being how does power washing the jams cause electrical damage? These are things I've been practicing in my mobile business, and I'd like to be informed, not taking anything away from you.



In regards to a DBA, its a trip to your town hall away, and Insurance is but a phone call away. It took me all of 3 hours, 1 of those talking to a lovely person at the IRA for my IEN.
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in the Direction Section on the back of the Purple Power bottle it states:



#4 DO NOT use on exterior car surfaces, glass, painted surface or wheel rims.



So im not sure iif it is or is not ok since you have not had any issues with it.
 
I think we're nit picking a bit much here guys. Using the proper tools with proper knowledge of how to use those tools is not "Hackish" I do the exact same thing Raski does on the jambs. Using a PW is NOT a bad thing at all. Idiots that don't know how to properly use a PW is.... Don't confuse the two. Just like using PP. If used properly (I use it as a carpet aggitate to get ground in stains and dirt off) is also not a bad thing. However using it against mfg. instructions and ruining your clients wheels/CC/paint etc etc etc.. is due to stupidity. Dosen't make the product bad. Make the illiterate moron using the product.... well a moron. Tools of the trade can be the best friend in the right hands or the worst enemy in the wrong hands. Hack pick up rotary's every day and swirl up the paint. Does that make all rotary's bad? Didn't think so. Be very careful when trying to split hairs here. Just because you don't do something a certian way dosen't mean that the way you do it is the only way to get it done right and proper. There's a lot of way's to properly detail a car without ruining anything. Calling someone a hack based soley on what the use and not "HOW" they use it is a slippery road to travel on.
 
Jean-Claude you may have pissed the hack detailers off in your area......lol!! Some of these hacks need to see that. There are too many ppl out there who use Mean Green, dish detergent, and their bucket they use to go fishing to clean cars. I had a guy call me a hack, but his customers are coming to me and I called this guy posing as a customer to see if he could explain to me what is auto detailing.
 
I can see the benefit of using a pressure washer in certain instances. There's a risk/reward though. For the risk of getting too much water on something or cutting up a delicate part is the reward of doing a job faster. My take and many others is the risk/reward is not worth it. If that's how you choose to do it, I won't troll you. It's your thing.



But I can not say that using purple power on cars where it is specifically noted that you should not is a good idea or even ok. People pay good money for a job done right, not fast. If the markers of PP could say that it was ok to use it on the exterior of a car, they would(it would only make it that much more of a value). Even the makers see the danger. Why do take that risk when someone can just purchase and use a product that is designed for the task? Again, I urge you to read the MSDS of PP. It is clearly noted that it should not be used on a car(in technical jargon-terms).



In that case, PP can not be compared to a rotary. A rotary being abused/misused on a car is user error. Using PP on a car is directly ignoring a warning. One can be used correctly, the other should not be used at all.



Jakerooni said:
I think we're nit picking a bit much here guys. Using the proper tools with proper knowledge of how to use those tools is not "Hackish" I do the exact same thing Raski does on the jambs. Using a PW is NOT a bad thing at all. Idiots that don't know how to properly use a PW is.... Don't confuse the two. Just like using PP. If used properly (I use it as a carpet aggitate to get ground in stains and dirt off) is also not a bad thing. However using it against mfg. instructions and ruining your clients wheels/CC/paint etc etc etc.. is due to stupidity. Dosen't make the product bad. Make the illiterate moron using the product.... well a moron. Tools of the trade can be the best friend in the right hands or the worst enemy in the wrong hands. Hack pick up rotary's every day and swirl up the paint. Does that make all rotary's bad? Didn't think so. Be very careful when trying to split hairs here. Just because you don't do something a certian way dosen't mean that the way you do it is the only way to get it done right and proper. There's a lot of way's to properly detail a car without ruining anything. Calling someone a hack based soley on what the use and not "HOW" they use it is a slippery road to travel on.
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^ I see your point about purple power, but I'd just like to say the fact that i've been using it doesn't mean I'm moving any faster, or not doing it 'right'. I will be looking into other options I can find locally though, and I do thank you for pointing that out as I had no idea. I can't believe I never read the back of the bottle lol.
 
-lol



Someone asked me to give them a quote. I am not giving any real info and I am not sure if I will even pursue it.
 
You might as well at least give them a quote, what sense does it make not to. You've given them all this info on hacks, and how they're prices are to low, show them what a real detail goes for. You'd just be further spreading the word.



- Sean
 
Powerwashing door jambs is bad? Yeah right. Sounds like more internet folklore to me. Oh no! Water got in the interior. Run, the car is going to blow up!!!!
 
David Fermani said:
Powerwashing door jambs is bad? Yeah right. Sounds like more internet folklore to me. Oh no! Water got in the interior. Run, the car is going to blow up!!!!
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No need to be offended. Get water on the wrong electronics and you will be feeling that way tho.



Why in the world take the risk when you can take a few extra minutes and not take that gamble?
 
Jean-Claude said:
No need to be offended. Get water on the wrong electronics and you will be feeling that way tho.



Why in the world take the risk when you can take a few extra minutes and not take that gamble?
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what's the latest . . . . . any e-mails or messages you can post up? I finally got one from someone who seemed a little upset? I figure the only people who would really get offended are those that are doing something wrong aka "HACK's"



i just laughed it off though . . . . . none of my real info is out there.
 
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