hyper compound overrated.

I'm going to respectfully disagree with Coupe - everything leaves some level of scratches behind, they are just of a fine enough grit that they are inperceptable - say 30,000 grit or so. In my experience, Menzerna leaves finer scratches and a more level finish than Optimum or Megs - you can't see the marring with a naked eye, but it is noticeable in terms of gloss.



You won't get anything too amazing out of FPII via PC, try it via rotary and a black LC pad @1500rpms and it will knock your socks off. If you want to see an amazing finish via PC, Blackfire's SRC FP has worked well for me on a white LC @6.
 
You can get it at Classic Motoring Accessories. Its similarity to the Menz product has been discussed previously; it is very close/identical.
 
themightytimmah said:
If you want to see an amazing finish via PC, Blackfire's SRC FP has worked well for me on a white LC @6.
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+1 After I used SRC FP everyone watching was "Wowwwwww"
 
themightytimmah said:
You won't get anything too amazing out of FPII via PC, try it via rotary and a black LC pad @1500rpms and it will knock your socks off. If you want to see an amazing finish via PC, Blackfire's SRC FP has worked well for me on a white LC @6.
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I can't see much of a difference in terms of gloss left behind with the BF SRC polish vs. FPII, plus I get dusting with BF SRC. The SRC does cut better, however, so I find myself reaching for it more than FPII these days.



To the OP, I think Optimum products are excellent, among the best available, IMO. OHC has very nice cut for me via PC, and I use most of their other products as well. If you don't like a product, you don't need to start a thread just to bash it, because there are plenty of people who think highly of Optimum.
 
Reflectionz said:
the only reason i use ohc is to dilute other compounds so its more sun friendly. otherwise, i think its useless. #1 its too thin and splatters everywhere. #2 i have doubts about its cutting ability even via rotary. some people said to only use very little but that didnt work out for me either.. it felt like milk! it seems to not cut anything or will take a while for it to "breakdown". for sure, it hardly gets out 2000 wetsand marks where something like 3m compounds or meguiars will knock it out in just a few passes. if it doesnt get out something as fine as 2000 grits, what are the chances it will take out a moderately deep scratch?



i will also bash on the whole optimum line. i see no difference between their polish, compound, and hyper compound as its just water-like.. they all feel like light polishes to me.



the poli-seal yields great results and is easy to use as "butter", but i dont think this aio last too long. the smoothness goes away as quick as cheap wax. some people claim it still protects because it doesnt bead water yet "sheds" it.. dood, dont forget a car has clearcoat.. its suppose to shed water and bead a little on its own. i tried hiding swirls and holograms with it and it looked great! but once again, a week later its all gone and everything showed up again. plus i was hoping since its a aio, it would actually get rid of holograms but no luck on that too. i know i know.. just because i dont see or feel it, the protection is still there.. yada yada ya.. i highly doubt it. waxes/sealants are very thin.. if it was covering holograms before and it came back, i would think a lot of the product is gone. i used kaio before and it is night and day! kept the car smooth for about a month+, even when its dusty and you can defintely tell its still on by the shine and how it really beads water.



im starting to get a feeling optimum is a viral marketing scheme and many people here are in on it. :heelclick
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I'm confused here....



You "tried hiding swirls" but was disappointed when PoliSeal didn't work because the swirls came back? I'm sorry but that, and many other statements in your rant make no sense. You then state that you had hoped it would "actually get rid of the holograms" but that didn't work either.....so you first WANTED to HIDE the swirls but in reality you REALLY WANTED to remove them but because neither one happened it MUST be Poliseals fault.....did I get that right??



Truthfully with that illogical mindset I don't know what product would work for you.



Poliseal doesn't hide defects but if used correctly will remove light marring.



In this thread you claim that something like Meguiars will "knock" sanding marks "right out!" Yet in another thread you bash Meguiars because the products you tried were just hiding the scratches, correct? So how do you know which is which....removing or hiding??



Because Optimum Hyper is "thin" in its consistency that is a mark against it? Could it be it's of that consistency for a reason? May I suggest contacting Dr. G. personally via his forum and ask him?



Finally, yes everyone in this thread who replied with positive marks towards Optimum are part of a massive marketing plan. The diabolical part of the plan is that even those with negative remarks about Optimum are also part of the plan as this gives us more reason to continue with the mass marketing machine.



Anthony
 
I think this should of been one of the threads everyone should of just ignored. I really question how much experience this guy has detailing and wonder if even used the products he is bashing. I have used Meguiars and Optimum and have had great experiences with both and hyper compound I rarely use because I am able to remove alot with just the polish. So if I am using hyper it is for some serious correction and yes it is very capable of tackling the most heavest defects.
 
I know most people think polishes all do the same job and leave the same finish, but I will disagree with that. I have a critical eye for a detail and I have tried tons of different polishes.



I have been using the new Menzerna po85rd3.02 super polish and it is just amazing. It removes heavy swirls and leaves a thick brilliant gloss behind that is amazing and lsp ready, but I don't stop there and I always use a finish polish to bring it as high as I can. The 3.01 is amazing too. Also po85rd and 106ff are excellent finish polihses too. Zpc polish is another sleeper that is amazing and I have had excellent results with too.
 
+1 Ryan, Im going order the Menz SIP and try it out on a Vette. The ZPC I havent try out yet, but is coming to this way ;)
 
themightytimmah said:
I'm going to respectfully disagree with Coupe - everything leaves some level of scratches behind, they are just of a fine enough grit that they are inperceptable - say 30,000 grit or so. In my experience, Menzerna leaves finer scratches and a more level finish than Optimum or Megs - you can't see the marring with a naked eye, but it is noticeable in terms of gloss.
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I agree with this as well.
 
Zet said:
IMO OHC cuts more than Meg's #84 and it has a much longer work time. The thinner consistency goes hand in hand with the fact that you should use less OHC compared to many other compounds. Btw, you can't judge the cut of a product by it's consistency, it would be easy to add a thickening agent without changing the cut. If you need more cut you could just step up to a wool pad. That being said I'm also going to get some 3M compound myself, for bad oxidation, scratches etc. But for removing "normal" amounts of swirls, light scratches and oxidation, OHC is my favorite product.
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maybe i got a bad batch or something.. i dont think i had anything that cuts faster than #84. i dont need more cut.. im happy with my megs #84 or sometimes 3m extra cut. i work for dealerships where swirls and light scratches doesnt matter, all they want is the medium to deeper scratches out so i would need something quick and effective.
 
Coupe said:
I primarily use Optimum and i havent found anything your saying to be true at all. The only thing i can think of is you have the old versions. Ive never used the old versions so i dont know. I have never found any of the 3 to be watery and there is a big big difference in cut between the 3. Do your bottles have the gold sticker stating that they are the new formula?
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yes they do.
 
Danase said:
How much experience do you have with a rotary? The reason I ask is because you say it splatters but usually with experience you don't have splatter issues.



Just curious, I am sure we can figure out why it is not workinf for you.
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not much.. just a few months but i do a lot of cars (dealership work). any tips? i usually put some on the paint and tried to center it with the pad at a slight tilt upwards so if it doesnt splatter, it will splatter downwards. i never really have any problem using a thicker compound but this stuff just flys everywhere! and sometimes you dont notice it until your done and theres little white specks at some places.
 
Yal said:
Is there any product line you like?



http://autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/86104-meguiar-products-not-me.html



So now you hate Optimum, before it was Meguiars. Is it the products or is it you? Just saying....;)
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i dont like meguiars because i feel there is a lot of oil in their products. i also had a problem with their #85 due to gumming up too fast but learned to dilute #84 with ohc for more work time and now this is probably my favorite combo, about 75/25 mixing with ohc.
 
Anthony Orosco said:
I'm confused here....



You "tried hiding swirls" but was disappointed when PoliSeal didn't work because the swirls came back? I'm sorry but that, and many other statements in your rant make no sense. You then state that you had hoped it would "actually get rid of the holograms" but that didn't work either.....so you first WANTED to HIDE the swirls but in reality you REALLY WANTED to remove them but because neither one happened it MUST be Poliseals fault.....did I get that right??



Truthfully with that illogical mindset I don't know what product would work for you.



Poliseal doesn't hide defects but if used correctly will remove light marring.



In this thread you claim that something like Meguiars will "knock" sanding marks "right out!" Yet in another thread you bash Meguiars because the products you tried were just hiding the scratches, correct? So how do you know which is which....removing or hiding??



Because Optimum Hyper is "thin" in its consistency that is a mark against it? Could it be it's of that consistency for a reason? May I suggest contacting Dr. G. personally via his forum and ask him?



Finally, yes everyone in this thread who replied with positive marks towards Optimum are part of a massive marketing plan. The diabolical part of the plan is that even those with negative remarks about Optimum are also part of the plan as this gives us more reason to continue with the mass marketing machine.



Anthony
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yes.. i tried hiding SWIRLS. it came back in no more than a week! Klasse AIO will hide them for a good month. doesnt that show that poli-seal is wearing off a lot faster? you quoted "so you first WANTED to HIDE the swirls but in reality you REALLY WANTED to remove them..." No! I never wanted to remove swirls because i know aio's have very light polishing effects. I was hoping it would get rid of HOLOGRAMS/buffer trails since it is a AIO which has some polishing effects (or should) and usually the lightest polish will get rid of them, so i was hoping the AIO would actually get rid of them (holograms, not swirls). you didnt get it right.. got it now?



My product line that works for me is Meg's compounds, 3m compounds, Klasse AIO, polishes usually are all fine with me because i dont really get a lot of request for swirl removal, just noticeable scratches.



poliseal actually does hide defects very well.. but it wears off very fast. is it because its fading off quickly? the shine goes away, the filling effect goes away, it starts "shedding" water instead of beading, the surface isnt slick anymore. is it gone or is it still "protecting"? i dont know. when i have time, im going to do half my hood with kaio and optiseal and take some pictures.. you then can compare.



Well, sanding marks cannot be hidding.. they are just too fine for any oils or fillers to get in it.. its either buffed out or its not. megs compounds will GET RID of sanding marks like nothing.. where OHC does little or you have to work it forever. yes i did bashed meguiars because of how much oil/fillers it has in it. the swirl remover 2.0 really sucks ***. the scratch-x is questionable. im starting to believe all their product has oil/fillers in them BUT still actually does its job. i beleive a great way to test a compounds cutting ability is to wetsand with 2000 or 1500 and see how well and quick it gets it out. OHC gets it out as fast as polish (very slow). if its not able to get something out as fine as 2000 sand marks, what chance does it have on a scratch?



it is thin. im not sure if this is right because im not a chemical master or anything but i do believe that anything abrasive should be somewhat creamy. how could you cut with this water/milk like substance? it soaks into the pad.. is it really the pad doing its job or the ohc? which i beleive the product your using is suppose to do most of the work, not the pad itself.



i was just being funny about that. sorry if i hurt your feelings :dance



.....jerk.
 
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