How much wax is lost due to Evaporation?

the back and forth method does not seem to completely fill in most areas with product. With circles, you can go over areas you may not touch with the other method. I don't have problems with

swirls at all, I have never seen 'em. I think you get swirls from poor application technique and bad products and applicators. Heck, if you can damage your paint in circles, you can do it in the back-and-forth method also.
 
I use to apply and remove wax\polish in circular motions prior to becoming a member of this forum. I use to think the circular swirl marks were just a by-product of detailing that you had to live with to some extent. Having learned about the "front to back" concept and better applicators, it appears now that any straight lines created are much harder to see than the 360 degree swirls, IMO. SMR does say use circular motions on their label as some products do but perhaps maybe practical field use some times turns up better or alternative methods. Some of you have used the term "fill in", was that just a choice of words or are you actually trying to fill in the swirls?
 
The PC 7424 or any orbital polisher is using essentially circular type motion, albeit in a random order. This is said to "match" the random motion of hand application (which would be circular). Does the PC cause more swirls than applying by hand in a linear fashion? Or comparing machine and hand application is not a valid test....??



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okay cowboy and jason, you guys are going to get it :D



in about how many posts did I try to relate the hardness of a clearcoat versus the hardness of an applicator (more like a miracle towel)? I'd say at least 3 times !!!



the point is if two object are incontact with each other the harder one will scratch the softer one, no matter what it is. This goes for foam, towels, fingernails, everything.



It is this very reason why a CD test works, because if you have two objects (doesn't matter what they are) if one scratches the CD while does not, it is physically imposible for the one that didn't scratch to be harder than the one that did scratch. It's the law of physics and you can't deny it.



And another thing if you use a product and get swirls while 99% of every other person and their mother doesn't; it's not the product it's either the applicator (being to hard) or your clearcoat (being to soft) and not the product.



(jeez, its just been a rough day :mad: )



:)
 
Sorry, I didn't read your previous posts on this or I would have given you credit. Since I have an engineering background it was an easy question for me to answer. ;)
 
stop it with the p.c. already !!!!



we're allowed to be human on this forum you know



cyberman, I used the word cowboy first so i figured i'd use cybercow next, I wasn't retaliating or anything



and if you apologize again I will flame you !!!! haha :)



(don't call me friend or amigo either :D) (j/k of course) interesting music on that site of your friends
 
Sorry.



Just kidding. If you knew me, you would be cracking up right now. And my buds site does have, shall we say, interesting music.



If you let it go long enough, it really gets hopping...



Peace...
 
You asked

<em class='bbc'>can you explain further on if I knew you i'd be cracking up right now[/i]

Because I must the most politically uncorrect person on the face of the planet, that's why. And by that I mean that I have a low threshold of pain when enduring platitudes such as "group hug" or "I don't see issues as black or white, just various shades of gray." And my person favorite "They are not terrorists, but activists for their cause." This was an actual quote I saw recently from somebody in Berkely.

Note to anyone who cares. Being politically incorrect does not mean you are a racist, a homophobe, intolerant, or mean-spirited. I just expect people to do their best. Not try to do their best, actually do their best - at least in things that count. Is that asking too much? Oh, and when you do your best it had better be on the side of good or at least neutral. Those terrorist did their personal best, and I certainly didn't approve of that!

Note that this applies to detailing. If you don't do your best, then we will tisk-tisk and call you Swirly behind your back. ;)
 
How much (carnuba) wax is lost due to evaporation as opposed to loss by washing, rain, sun exposure, elements, etc.?

Let's say I wax my vehicle today and let it sit in the garage until April. Will there be any loss of wax on the vehicle, simply from evaporation? Or will it be as good as Day 1?

(Spoken like a true "sealant" guy!):wink:
 
"Let's say I wax my car today and let it sit in the garage 'til April"

... that sounds more like, "Spoken by a true Ferrari guy!":biggrin::o So many of those guys are afraid to drive their cars for fear for putting miles on them... it's just funny.

Sorry for the slight derail there...

I'd try this... wax a section of the car, a quarter panel or the hood. Let the wax cure for 24 hours and then pour a little water on it. Take note of how the water beads and then repeat the test every month or so thereafter.
You'll know when the wax has deteriorated when the water doesn't bead like it first did.

Probably will happen sooner than you think...

I've always thought wax would just "go away" even if left alone. The only reason I use it on my personal car is for the way it looks vs. a sealant alone.
 
These are some of the factors that will affect the protective layer applied to a paint surface

1. Thickness of applied Coating

This barrier is all that stands between the environmental contaminants and the paint film surface and this renewable barrier is probably less than 0.1 ? (100 nm, 0.000 4 Mils or 0.000 004 inch) thick. An applied paint protection product is the barrier that provides protection for automotive paintwork besides the clear coat paint.

2. Fracture/evaporation temperatures

[: the melting point of a solid is the temperature range at which it changes state from solid to liquid. At the melting point the solid and liquid phase exists in equilibrium.]

Polymers (including Acrylic polymers) 350.?F, Silicone oil 350.?F, Mineral oils 200.?F, Synthetic blends (Carnauba wax / polymers) 200.?F, Carnauba wax 183.?F, Bee?s wax 130.?F in actual practice the high temperatures frequently encountered by vehicles from the radiation causes wax compounds to melt.
For example, painted surfaces exposed to ambient temperatures of 85. ?F in direct sunlight will obtain a temperature of 195. ?F or more. It should be noted that there is a range of temperatures at which melting begins and that the 'melting point' is the end point of that range

3.The rate of environmental exposure that negatively effects (clear coat) paint varies widely with ambient conditions (UV radiation, Environmental Fall-out, paint protection used, etc) but an approximation of 0.005Mil (0.13?) per annum is about average; protective coatings polymer sealants, wax, etc), being renewable are meant to be sacrificial (it is subjected to oxidation, thereby by saving the clear coat)

4. + Rainfall, how often its washed, - how often a quick detailer (QD) or spray wax is used

5. The rate of evaporation would be dependent upon the surface colour and environmental conditions (mainly UV radiation).

If left in an enclosed, insulated garage you would remove most things that have a negative impact on a wax / polymer sealant. Evapouration requires heat so I'm going to say, and this may be a little scientific or too profound a technical answer for many....
















Not much
 
not much indeed. Quality write-up and information above, but I've yet still to take temperature readings on the exterior of a car that reached temps near 195+ degrees (F).
For a car to sit inside a garage away from some of the most degrading situations it would normal face (the sun, water, etc) I can't see there being much evaporation occurring. If the car was to sit in a garage but be the target of constant touching from ONR washes or being wiped down in any other manner, surely the contact would help to expedite the wearing down of the protective barrier the wax gives.

For a car to be waxed and sit untouched away from the elements or anything else, I don't see a reason it couldn't last a year or more myself
 
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