How do MicroFiber towels improve the process?

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mirrorfinishman said:
Could it be that maybe there are no real detailing process improvements to be gained by using MicroFiber cloths?
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Could it be that your question was rhetorical, and never intended to elicit responses? Could it be it was simply a setup to provide your opinion, that "there are no real detailing process improvements to be gained by using MicroFiber cloths?"



:rolleyes:



My answer is to go buy a half-dozen quality MF towels, and see for yourself if you think it "improves the process". Most of us don't even know what you mean with that phrase. What aspect of the "process" are you concerned with? Time savings? A tool that performs better? More convenience?



Does a better hammer "improve the process" of driving a nail? Does a better saw "improve the process" of cutting a piece of wood? Do better pots and pans "improve the process" of cooking?



Tort
 
First things first, you guys are still mixing the terms MF and cotton which is like saying pasta or spaghetti. MF is the size of the filament making up the yarn, it does not exclude cotton or other materials. Hence, you can have microfiber cotton.



IMO MF yarns don't necessarily improve the final result given a comparison between equal qualities. What happens is that the MF will greatly reduce or eliminate the danger of micro scratches and swirls. A MF yarn will also make your job easier as it's performance is enhanced by the greater number of filaments in the weave.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
Is anyone else interested in how a MicroFiber towel can improve the actual detailing process?
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Just about anyone who has used an MF towel already knows and has experienced first-hand how it can improve the actual detailing process.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
...I am not asking about the benefits of MircoFiber towels. I am simply asking the following specific question with regard to improving the detailing process[:] How do MircoFiber towels improve the detailing process?
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I honestly don't intend to be contentious, but I don't understand the above posting, nor why none of the responses you have received have answered your question :confused: I could be completely off-base here, but now and then you really DO come across as being somewhat disingenuous, as TortoiseAWD is saying. It seems your preconceived notions have prejudiced you to the point that responses to your queries, and your replies to them, amount to little more than verbal jousting as opposed to a genuine interest in the opinions you solicit. Perhaps it's merely a matter of miscommunication, perhaps it isn't.



If a question doesn't result in answers that you deem appropriately relevant, let alone informative, perhaps you should rephrase the question.



With everything you have to contribute, it would be a shame if you were to alienate your fellow Autopians and I can see that happening.



The benefits of MF toweling *ARE* the improvements they impart to the detailing process. These differences all contribute positively to the quality of the detailing process as *I* (and, as I believe, the other respondents) conceptualize it. While they don't CHANGE the process, they lessen the required investment of time and effort and, if not always IMPROVING the end result, they lessen the probability of negative outcomes (marring, incomplete removal, and other problems).



DFTowel- Yep, you're right, of course. We're just (over?) simplifying/generalizing again for the sake of streamlined discussion. It's sometimes hard to know just how fine a point one should put on these things.
 
i feel safer using mf during my detail process. when i used 100% cotton towels i sometimes would find that the towels would leave some swirls in the paint. when i switched to mf i have not seen the swirls i did with 100% cotton towels (royal velvet btw)



also mirrorfinishman,

you seem, by asking the question many times, that you are trying to show people they have wasted their money on quality mf towels. like TortoiseAWD said, it seems you cannot say your real opinion.
 
Frank,



Where is your questioning coming from? Was there another post or thread that sparked you to start this thread? Did something happen outside autopia that encouraged you to question about the ability of MF's?



We all mean well, but it's just a little confusing and possibly misleading as far as what you are asking. Clarify with us in a little more detail with exactly you are REALLY trying to ask.:xyxthumbs



:wavey
 
ajbarnes said:
Frank,

Where is your questioning coming from? Was there another post or thread that sparked you to start this thread? Did something happen outside autopia that encouraged you to question about the ability of MF's?



We all mean well, but it's just a little confusing and possibly misleading as far as what you are asking. Clarify with us in a little more detail with exactly you are REALLY trying to ask.:xyxthumbs

:wavey
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ajbarnes,



I am honestly interested in knowing what improvements everyone has realized because they now use MicroFiber towels.



The question is not something that is either confusing or misleading. It has to do with the improvements to the process of detailing.



It is all about the process. And what we can do to improve the process.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
The question is not something that is either confusing or misleading.
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Then why are so many people feeling confused and wondering about your motives? These are qualities that can only be assigned by the audience; they are based on the audience's perception, not yours. You really need to try different tack.



I am not asking the question many times. I am only repeating the same question over and over...
:confused: e.g., *I* find that confusing, and I'm not exactly linguistically challenged.



Whatever you mean by "improving the detailing process", it's not being adequately conveyed. No one can discern what you're after. You'll have to reword your inquiry, preferably being more specific, or this won't go anywhere.
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Accumulator said:
Whatever you mean by "improving the detailing process", it's not being adequately conveyed.
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The first part of the question had to do with my attempt to improve the way I do things.



The second part of the question had to do with what I would do to change a process in an attempt to achieve positive measurable results.
 
Mirrorfinishman,



Alright, here's an idea.. why dont you answer this question for us:



How does using terry cotton towels instead of flannel improve the detailing process?



Perhaps after we see what your response is, we would have a better idea of how to answer your question about how MF's improve the detailing process.
 
Frank,



I am going to try my hand at answering your query since i have used both in my personal experience.



One reason MFs save time is that you don't have to do as many repeat wipings as you would with cotton or other materials. I used Terrycloth towels on glass and, I was not satisfied because the prodiuct would soak the cloth to the point that it would be just spreading the product around. Another thing is that the lint from terry towels tends to add to the work because you have to go behind that and eliminate it from the surface you just detailed.



I also like MFs because they don't mar the finish like terrycloth towels are wont to do. I have used MFs to clean the plastic lenses on my glasses and I don't get any scratches on the lenses at all.



Another advantage is pricing. You can get some MFs cheaper than what you'd be paying for a bunch of Charismas and then the time to serge them.



Granted, this may not be enough to answer your query, but it, like the posts from the others, is a start.
 
mirrorfinishman said:
The first part of the question had to do with my attempt to improve the way I do things.



The second part of the question had to do with what I would do to change a process in an attempt to achieve positive measurable results.
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OK, then I believe *I* have already given you my relevent $0.02. I was going to recap, to ensure that I have adequately conveyed my response, but it would merely be repetitious of me and this is just getting too :nono :argue for my taste. Heh heh, I'm sure you can get by just fine without any more input from me on this topic anyhow.
 
Frank-this is what you are looking for:



MF towels will dry faster, remove excess product faster and clean glass faster than 100% cotton towels. Getting the job done right in less time is money in your pocket. In addition, when properly cleaned and dried, MF towels last significantly longer, more than enough to justify their higher price. Again, more money to the bottom line.



I can use one MF towel to buff off the excess wax of a vehicle when it used to take 2 cotton towels. Instantly, less towels to wash, again adding to the bottom line.



Frank, just try some quality MFs and you will see for yourself. I bought 4 MFs about 18 months ago and now have well over 100. There is a reason.
 
Bingo!



Altho it may be the most overdone thread I've seen in a while, Scottwax slams a three pointer at the buzzer!



(MODS: THAT'S A HINT FOR CLOSURE)



Jim
 
Hey Can I squeak one in before the mods get it all we all die from boredom ?



Maybe he sells cotton towels ?
 
k2dan, you can just use that edit button on the lower left, in the shaded area under you name when you need to change something.

;)
 
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