How are the other FourStar products?

The wheel cleaner is really mild. Its not designed for cleaning really deeply dirty wheels. Although, I do have some pictures of the product doing some nasty 350Z wheels. Click here for pictures. It is good stuff, but I would stick with stronger cleaners if your rims are really dirty. I use ceramic pads on my car and my rims are usually pretty clean. It is a great product for my wheels, but for serious dirt I would use something like Eagle One A2Z.
 
For my wheels, I don't use wheel cleaner except for the backsides every spring. I have EX-P and #16 on my wheels, so the car wash soap easily tackles the job of cleaning the wheels. I need something for when a customer car rolls up with really nasty looking wheels...and like I said, I like the idea of environmentally safe products.
 
Its interesting that you would like P21S wheel cleaner as well, Paul. I would compare the Four Star wheel cleaner to something like P21S wheel cleaner. Its really mild.



I suppose you could just use soap and water. However, as long as there are people who want to buy a product, then there will be a company willing to make it. Using normal soap and water and a wheel brush is still effective. Its your call if the wheels are dirty enough to need a special cleaner besides just soap and water.
 
Burlyq said:
I agree totally JN. But why even buy 4* wheel cleaner then, why not just clean the wheels with car wash soap, it would be cheaper and just as effective. Most car wash soaps aren't harmful, you could even use dish soap.
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I've always used nothing more than regular car soap. Then, I ordered a bottle of Sonus Wheel cleaner. It is very similar to 4* - quite mild and you have to agitate it. But, all of a sudden, my wheels are brighter then they have been in months.



I think a mild cleaner like that can be useful, perhaps for a once a month type of cleaning.
 
I wash my wheels with just car soap + water with a wash mitt. I don't even use a wheel brush. The brake dust and dirt just comes right off with a quick wipe with the wash mitt.
 
Burlyq said:
I agree totally JN. But why even buy 4* wheel cleaner then, why not just clean the wheels with car wash soap, it would be cheaper and just as effective. Most car wash soaps aren't harmful, you could even use dish soap.
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I normally just use car wash soap on wheels. If you don't let the brake dust build up, car wash soap is all you will ever need. However, on neglected wheels, a dedicated wheel cleaner will really speed things up.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
I'm a huge fan of the Gloss Enhancer and their Leather products. The conditioner is great. Smells just like leather. mmmmm... The Gloss Enhancer is really nice too. Kind of adds a sparkle to the car that I don't seem to get with other QDs.



If you think the Four Star Ultimate products are good, then you should try some of the Professional products too. The Spray Wax is an awesome clay lube. I love the rubber and vinyl protectant too. I recently got a big order of Four Star products so I could try more of them. I'm looking forward to it. I've never been disappointed by a Four Star product. :bigups
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It's just a little misleading not to inform us that you are a vendor of these products in my opinion. Your a nice guy and those products are good but I personally would like to see vendors identify themselves as so, it's extremely relevant.



http://www.detailcity.com/showthread.php?p=87971#post87971
 
Burlyg, might I politely suggest that you stop ruining threads with your concerns about potential conflict of interest issues? If you have a problem with a poster, contact the moderators. Worst comes to worst, you could also PM the poster in question.



What seems to happen on and off with you is that we get a good converstation started about some product. Then, you show up, and raise concerns about somebody in the thread being a vendor, etc. Then, the entire thread breaks down. I've seen you ruin about a half dozen threads with this sort of stuff in the last few days.



Its a shame because you apparently have a lot of knowledge to share yourself. I'd rather hear what you think about the product, technique, etc, then to see your comments on conflict of interest.



For the record: Jngrbrdman tells use exactly what he represents in his signature line.
 
I appoligize for ruining one thread, I was wrong with some of the things I said, I was frustrated when I first joined because I though Autopia was like another site I had problems with getting booted for having a different opinion than what their vendors carried. I was wrong, this is a special place. I was also misinformed with PD's in klasse, but my other points where valid. But, there is a problem with vendors being deceptive here in my opinion. That post above is a sales pitch common man. If a moderator tells me I'm wrong on this I'll never bring it up again I give my word, but I think who is and who is not vendors are relevant. Secondly, we have people saying these products are something the clearly are not, safe for the environment. So with this info, who ruined this post? Me for pointing out these things or the people who where being deceptive?
 
Well, I think this is between you and the moderators. Meanwhile, its obvious that you know quite a bit about detailing. I'd just like to read more of your ideas (because I've learned a lot from you!) rather than seeing your concerns about conflicts of interest.
 
Burlyq said:
Secondly, we have people saying these products are something the clearly are not, safe for the environment. So with this info, who ruined this post? Me for pointing out these things or the people who where being deceptive?
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I'm being deceptive by quoting manufacturers' descriptions? See my posts on the environmentally safe issue. Just for your blind ***, the relevant parts of the descriptions were highlighted in bold.
 
I would like for you to show me one example of where I have thrown my URL to any products that I sell on Autopia. Just show me one. Show me one link in my signature that is a for profit link. I cloned my OCDetails site to not include any commercialism that benefits me even one cent. I have been tooting the horn of Four Star for over 3 years now. The fact that they are products I carry in a store that I don't even advertise or talk about on Autopia is beside the point. I may be a vendor, but that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion. I would never advertise or SPAM on Autopia. I've been a member here for far too long and have edited way too many threads of spammers to be guilty of doing that myself. What I'd suggest is that you take my opinion for what it is worth and quit trying to devalue it because you think I have some sort of preference. This chip on your shoulder about vendors having opinions is really getting old. You have strong opinions about the products you like as well if I remember correctly. Just let it drop.
 
White95Max said:
I'm being deceptive by quoting manufacturers' descriptions? See my posts on the environmentally safe issue. Just for your blind ***, the relevant parts of the descriptions were highlighted in bold.
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I meant no disrespect, the bottle says fatal if swallowed. I use the stuff and have a bottle right here. So the discrepency lays between manu and whats on the bottle, ok?



Jngrbrdman said:
Just let it drop.
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It's dropped, but also relevant, most newbies would want to know the person giving advice is a vendor. And you gave a URL to the person who supplies you instead of autogeek who supports autopia. I think your a nice person who obviously loves detailing. I just wish Autopia identified vendors and I here they are which is cool.

Jngrbrdman said:
You can get both the Ultimate products and Professional line on PremiumAutoCare. I don't know of many sites that carry the professional line.
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Well finally you displayed something to back up your statement. I directly quoted the product description from Autogeek.

Which product's bottle are you looking at? My UPP bottle says harmful or fatal if swallowed, yes. But I was referring to the tire gel or wheel cleaner. Those products are the ones that will end up running down the driveway.

A wax, sealant, or quick detailer is not going to run off the car onto the driveway so it doesn't need to be environmentally safe.
 
White95Max said:
Well finally you displayed something to back up your statement. I directly quoted the product description from Autogeek.

Which product's bottle are you looking at? My UPP bottle says harmful or fatal if swallowed, yes. But I was referring to the tire gel or wheel cleaner. Those products are the ones that will end up running down the driveway.

A wax, sealant, or quick detailer is not going to run off the car onto the driveway so it doesn't need to be environmentally safe.
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IT'S ON THE WHEEL CLEANER GEL, DIDN'T YOU LOOK. HARMFUL AND FATAL IF SWALLOWED, MAN LAY OFF ME GUYS!!
 
Well there lies a problem. Maybe the description on Autogeek is written by someone at Autogeek rather than a representative of 4*. That's not right to mislead the consumers about that.
 
Sure enough...I enlarged the bottle's picture and it says right there "harmful or fatal if swallowed". I really didn't believe the claim that consumption of the product was safe anyway. I wonder if they are actually harmful to the environment though.
 
If it can kill a human it's probably dangerous for some of natures wild creatures. BTW, no such warnings are on my palmolive and generic brand dish soaps.
 
Burlyq said:
I appoligize for ruining one thread, I was wrong with some of the things I said, I was frustrated when I first joined because I though Autopia was like another site I had problems with getting booted for having a different opinion than what their vendors carried. I was wrong, this is a special place. I was also misinformed with PD's in klasse, but my other points where valid. But, there is a problem with vendors being deceptive here in my opinion. That post above is a sales pitch common man. If a moderator tells me I'm wrong on this I'll never bring it up again I give my word, but I think who is and who is not vendors are relevant. Secondly, we have people saying these products are something the clearly are not, safe for the environment. So with this info, who ruined this post? Me for pointing out these things or the people who where being deceptive?
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The problem isn't your opinions or knowledge it is your attitude and paranoia over vendors that is the problem. Address it with the moderators.
 
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