Hopefully my Flex issues are over...

Jngrbrdman

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I stopped using the Flex after my detail on that Porsche and I saw black pieces of backing plate flying all over the place. I dusted the plastic bits off and switched to the PC. This last weekend I took the backing plate off and shaved off some of the excess with a knife. That was when I noticed that some of the backing plate is getting pushed into the gear itself. Check this out. Take note of how deep the groove is that is wearing in this backing plate too.

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I dug out all the junk in the gear that was deposited in three or four spots and finished shaving off the rest of the edges. It seems to work better for me now. I polished out two cars without any plastic pieces spitting out. It seems that whatever groove the machine needed to wear into the plate has been done and it operates fairly normal now. That bell housing still gets pretty hot though, so I'm wondering if that friction is still there even though no more pieces are spitting out.

That Edge adapter can't come soon enough....
 
I am glad you posted pics of that. I read about that, and it has something to do with a screw not being tight enough, thus allowing the back plate to "wiggle" when it's in motion. I don't know that much about it, but I remember reading about it at the topia. I am considering a Flex, but am not sure. I definitely would like more options than the integrated back plate.

FWIW, I think they will swap that back plate out for you. powerhouse distributing or something or another...
 
I thought the screw might be a concern as well, but even with it tightened down as tight as it can go, I still have the issue. I don't think it is the sole reason this happens.

If it happens to be a defect in my machine instead of the plate then I don't really want to go through grinding a groove in yet another backing plate. It seems to be ok now. If someone else with a Flex will confirm if the housing gets super hot while working, then I'll know if things are as they should be. Besides, I seriously am just waiting for Edge to finish that backing plate and then I won't have a need for the velcro one anymore. I'm pretty loyal to the Edge 2000 system.
 
I had the same problem, called powerhouse which sent me a new backing plate with instructions as follows (soak the new felt ring in 30 weight oil) replace old ring and plate. Since then....everything is going great....solved the problem.

Devon
 
With the exception of Jngrbrdman I don't find too many people happy with the Edge foam pads. Plenty of raves about the Wool though.

Really? I was under the impression they were money. I would just be looking to replace the Flex geared backing plate.
 
With the exception of Jngrbrdman I don't find too many people happy with the Edge foam pads. Plenty of raves about the Wool though.

You haven't been reading the right boards then, my friend. lol Edge pads aren't the product of the moment anymore, so they aren't talked about much. In the end I think that foam is foam and most pads are going to get you the same results. Edge pads are awesome because they last so much longer and you eliminate the danger of any backing plate damage. I can get under door handles and spoilers without worrying about gouging the paint.

In the end it is the process that gets the results and the products used are just ways to get there. As long as you are getting results, then everything is as it should be. :)
 
....If someone else with a Flex will confirm if the housing gets super hot while working, then I'll know if things are as they should be.

Mine gets hot, but never too hot to touch.


For reference here are some shots of my bp and close up of the felt ring for comparison. One of the last time I use it I applied excessive amounts of pressure will no ill effects.


here are the pictures:


Backing plate - shows signs of touching but only after excessive pressure:

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Felt ring:

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You keep saying that, and yet not once have you entered my garage. :D This year you have to come to the Spring Cleaning workshop. Perhaps you can offer some instruction on rotary tools. We'll have a PC, UDM, Flex DA, and whatever you want to bring to compare with. It would be a great opportunity for people to see the difference.
 
I really would like to do that. Having said that I haven't been in my garage in the past two months so don't feel badly. Well that's not exactly true I did set the sprinkler clock. So I've been there once.
 
Add one to your list. I really like Edge's system.


How have the foam pads held up? 'Most' folks I've discussed this with say the LC foam is just way better than the Edge foam. I can't comment on the truth of any of it.. but I'm asking people I believe I can trust.

The one thing that Edge seems to not have going for it right now is the impossibility of ordering 6" wool from them. Even on AG.NET some of the 6" wool is "BACKORDERED". Production problems or popularity, hmm?
 
How have the foam pads held up? 'Most' folks I've discussed this with say the LC foam is just way better than the Edge foam.

I've never had a failure with Edge pads and find that in reality they last about the same amount of time as a one sided pad. The fact that it has two sides seems to make a pad last forever. I'm not a wool fan, I just don't have the need. There are few things I can't accomplish using a coarse foam pad and an aggressive polish, if that doesn't work I step up to a rotary still using foam and they takes care of it for me. I've used (only on rotaries) it but have found on modern finishes I have little need for it. I don't think it's a good idea to use wool on an orbital polisher but that's just my opinion, others feel it is fine. The one time I really found wool to be a benefit was on the gel finish of a very oxidized boat. It cut a lot of time off of the job. Edge availability on wool pads is not an issue for me.
 
The only thing you can really do to satisfy your curiosity is to get a blue Edge pad and a blue LC pad and try them out. I've got an adapter that I'll even send ya so you don't have to invest in one of those. I really don't know why people say the foam isn't good. I have absolutely no problem getting results from Edge foam.
 
The only thing you can really do to satisfy your curiosity is to get a blue Edge pad and a blue LC pad and try them out. I've got an adapter that I'll even send ya so you don't have to invest in one of those. I really don't know why people say the foam isn't good. I have absolutely no problem getting results from Edge foam.

Word. I'll snag that adapter if you do not mind, that is very generous! I'm still using old CMA pads, before LC added more colors into the mix. So I've yet to experience green or blue pads, period.

The adapter you have is for a rotary right? :yourrock
 
I've never had a failure with Edge pads and find that in reality they last about the same amount of time as a one sided pad. The fact that it has two sides seems to make a pad last forever. I'm not a wool fan, I've used (only on rotaries) it but have found on modern finishes I have little need for it. Edge availability on wool pads is not an issue for me.

I just don't want to have the pads split apart where they glue to the center disc. That I think was the biggest concern, other than the adapters failing when the ball bearings fly out.
 
I just don't want to have the pads split apart where they glue to the center disc. That I think was the biggest concern, other than the adapters failing when the ball bearings fly out.
Yeah, I've seen all the posts where others have had this happen. I've used the 2000 system on a PC since they were first released. Maybe I'm just lucky or maybe the problem isn't as wide spread as some may believe. To say that some problems didn't exist would be foolish, obviously people have had problems. I didn't have a problem with the first products and haven't since. I've even done some of the prototype testing on some of Aaron's new products. No, I don't get anything out of it but the chance to test a new product. I've volunteered to do this with any product some one would give me a chance to try. I know an individual (Jen@AutoGeek) that had a problem with an adapter, she caught it before it caused any problem and as you would expect Aaron took care of it at no charge. I think she was a little gun shy for a while but got over it. I know the adapter has benefited from a new design and bearings dropping out isn't the problem it once was. The pads have also been redesigned with a hub that has a larger surface area and I see very few new complaints. Remember there are a lot of people using these pads. They're not the latest and greatest new item and don't get much press anymore. They're also a commodity and if they work no one is saying anything about them one way or another. Foam is foam and I don't believe Edge has a big advantage over its competitors in fantastic foam claims it's the design and convenience of the Edge pads that have earned me as a repeat customer.

Having told you about my success with Edge also leads me to tell you that I have on the other hand had two failures using back up plates and traditional hook and loop style pads. It doesn't mean I think the traditional style pads are bad, I don't. Stuff happens, sometimes it's abuse sometimes it's not paying attention to warning signs that are present. I can honestly say that's what happened one time when my back up plate let go. Instead of going out an getting a new one, I tried to make one that was showing signs of wear make it through one more detail. The moral of the story here is that when you see signs of wear stop and fix the problem, if a pad has a tear replace it, if the backing plate is missing hooks replace it. Maybe that's where some of the problems arise using the Edge system. It's difficult to see a problem that's just starting due to the pad design. I usually take an Edge pad and try to wiggle the center from side to side before using it. If I felt any slop I would not use it.

I've spoken to Aaron at Edge. I honestly believe some of the problems related to Edge failures have to do with users running pads loaded with product on an orbital at high speeds for extended periods of time. Does that mean the Edge product needs additional development so this doesn't happen? Well, maybe but I personally don't believe in using anything flat out for long periods. I don't even use the fan in my car on high speed for more than a brief period. I take pretty good care of my products and get good results because I spend a little extra care and thought in their use.

Now because I've had traditional hook and loop systems go South on me doesn't mean I wouldn't use one again. I would, but just prefer using the Edge system because it saves me both time and money. I also don't have to carry quite as many pads with me. My recommendation would be to try them, you won't know what they're about unless you do. If that doesn't feel right buy a good back up plate (don't get cheap here) and some nice Lake Country pads. I think you will find that you can be happy using either set up and if you haven't gotten use to the convenience of the Edge set up you wont' miss a thing.

Jngrbrdman, please forgive me for jacking this thread and turning it into an Edge advertisement.
 
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