Here it is! BOSS - Best of Show System!

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Just ordered a gallon of Fast Correcting Compound. Haven't used it before, just planning on it being good. Anyone have tips on what worked best for you while using? Thanks
 
autoconcierge said:
Where is your outrage over the Evo 21, Torx and Zentool etc………. body like the Rupes made in China?. Tired of your biased agenda, really tired.
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If you're tired - go to sleep. I'm allowed to express my opinion on this forum - so I will - if you like it or not. Who are you anyway???

They are obviously all rip offs. The Griot's just pisses me off the most because they are selling it for a premium price, marketing it exactly like Rupes, and reaping the rewards of Rupe's intellectual property. If you buy a GI machine - you prolly don't know better. CG's - you're just dumb. Zentool - you prolly live in Australia and a Rupes is like a grand.

Have you compared the spindle mechanism? They are the same. The # of holes in the shroud? The same. The shroud itself? The offset? The pads? The system approach? It's all exactly the same.

Griot's even made the thing's BP drag and you can add a washer mod... Why would the BP drag? The GG6 doesn't. No reason but they copied Rupes. What happened to that so called "expert" who came on here and posted for like a week??? Lolz. Haven't heard from him lately.

People can build a factory anywhere and get someone to man the machines. There is just something about stealing the intellectual ideas / property of others that sticks in my craw.

I'm not saying the Griot's is a bad machine. I'm sure it works fine. I'm just saying its a rip-off of what Rupes invented - and that is ultimately bad for detailing. If everyone just rips-off everyone - you will just get the same junk in a different box or bottle.

So you are all jazzed because the Griot's works for you. That's great. Who will invent the next polisher if someone just just sends it to China to knock it off? Who will invest ideas and sweat to make correction easier if Alibaba can mimic the idea and sell it to the highest bidder in a few months?

You are biting your nose off to spite your face.
 
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I agree 100% with Swanicyouth.
A point I would like to add is how they marketed their "New machines." They basically covered their new tools with a red satin cloth while explaining how long these polishers were in the works, how much time and energy was invested, and how marvelous their "new" product is/was going to be, and made us wait in a countdown for the grand unveiling. Then, they yanked the red cloth, yelled "Tada!" Well, I like many was disappointed. It's just another copy of a great machine.
Maybe, had they just released it without a bunch of hoopla, we wouldn't be getting so many negative responses. Don't pretend you invented something when its obviously a copy.
 
Oldfordisbetter said:
Just ordered a gallon of Fast Correcting Compound. Haven't used it before, just planning on it being good. Anyone have tips on what worked best for you while using? Thanks
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It's great with the BOSS MF pads and especially the Fast Cut MF pads. Prime as you normally would and then after that 3 small dots (or less) is all you need. Works great on foam too with the same process, I just prefer cutting with MF pads. 4-6 slow overlapping passes like you'd normally do and you're golden. Good cut, great finish, pleasant scent, no dust, great working time. My only complaint would be that the wipe off could be easier, but not at the expense of cut, finish, or dust.

This was with just the Correct Cream and the MF pads followed by an AIO.
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EXPDetailing said:
I agree 100% with Swanicyouth.
A point I would like to add is how they marketed their "New machines." They basically covered their new tools with a red satin cloth while explaining how long these polishers were in the works, how much time and energy was invested, and how marvelous their "new" product is/was going to be, and made us wait in a countdown for the grand unveiling. Then, they yanked the red cloth, yelled "Tada!" Well, I like many was disappointed. It's just another copy of a great machine.
Maybe, had they just released it without a bunch of hoopla, we wouldn't be getting so many negative responses. Don't pretend you invented something when its obviously a copy.
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Do you have any idea how long it takes to go from a sketch, to CAD, to getting mold quotes (for a double shot mold at that), making the changes, to cutting steal and actually shooting parts? Not to mention sourcing all the components that go into it? When my company launches a new product, it takes well over a year (usually 2 or more) to go from the idea to actual production, even when it's based on a previous model/design.
 
The other "Copies" came out before the GG machine, and the fact that you guys did not hammer those machines because they are cheaper in price point proves what I thought about why there was over the top bad feelings.

Jeff the "Expert" you panned earlier Swanicyouth is not a weekend warrior, he has been in the trade since the 90's (I have known him since 96) and he put real effort into this product release. Your opinion is yours to have…………….but be fair and also bang the copies from other companies which released their machines.

Through all of this guys have contacted me and asked "What is the real deal concerning the machine and liquids"?, as they know my established work over many years and the fact I tell it like it is there is a trust separate from personal feelings on how I have reacted to guys here on this forum.


Some of those guys have purchased the gear and then said "You were right it is quality" so in reality all the poop disturbing has garnered NEW interest and has not stopped those with a open mind from getting the gear as the reviews reflect. I see more and more GG Boss 21/15's out there everyday……………Rupes will most assuredly improve their next gen offerings so it will be good for the Pro and DIYer going forward.

Btw I have every machine Rupes makes sans the Duetto fyi.
 
nothingface5384 said:
Anyone have issues with the trigger sticking
I dont even touch the trigger lock in button..it randomly locks in rpm without it
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This is the first issue I've heard of the trigger lock. I inspect all returned tools here (to process returns/warrany claims) and I haven't seen one yet that had a problem with the trigger or lock mechanism. Luckily you've got the legendary Griot's Garage warranty backing your purchase :)
 
Vega@Autopia said:
This is the first issue I've heard of the trigger lock. I inspect all returned tools here (to process returns/warrany claims) and I haven't seen one yet that had a problem with the trigger or lock mechanism. Luckily you've got the legendary Griot's Garage warranty backing your purchase :)
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Yeah, ive never touched the trigger lock button i just hold trigger
Sometimes when im done with my pass, let off trigger it still spins/powered till i press trigger a couple more times
Happened atleast once everytime i used it so far (4 times)

Not too worried about it
 
Update
Ive used my polisher again
Yellow pad and did half trunk with 3d adapt 6 passes at speed 6
It did it again.
I realized since im left handed that im actually naturaly against the lockout button
Lmao
So no issue, except me being left handed and button is on left side!
 
I do not currently own one Griot's Garage product... but as soon as I need to order more polishes, I will most likely pick up some products from the BOSS line.

I had a chance to play around with the new system at SEMA and came away impressed. Not only with the machines, pads, polishes but also with Jeff Brown. We chatted for almost 2 hours about the BOSS system and it is clear that Jeff has a clear vision for the future coupled with a firm grasp of technical + real world knowledge. Which I find exciting because 'better' products make competition within the industry 'better.' The winner is end user!

The BOSS machines contain a slight bit more vibration than my Rupes machines and a touch louder. However, the additional vibration was only really noticeable at light pressure (such as when you are spreading product over a work area or finessing an area at the end of a section.) When greater pressure is applied, the machine settles in and feels good with more power than my Rupes 21/15.


I scuffed an area of a non-metallic, black, test panel with 2000 at the Griot's booth and put the Correcting Cream, BOSS 21 machine, and orange pad to work. I worked the area for approximately 6 passes (which is all relative because everyone has their own style) but the cut and finish was GOOD (and I checked the panel with my own Rupes light after.) As one would expect, not all marks were leveled but I can tell you the vast majority were gone. All this was accomplished with a heavily soiled pad that was not clean. (Who knows how many times the pad had been used prior considering all the interested attendees trying these products at SEMA.) Only thing I could find to nit pick was the wipe off. A little stubborn but nothing horrible. And when it comes down to it... there's always a 'trade off' to every compound/ polish.

Now, I clearly would have expected any compound to remove 2000 marks from paint all day long BUT I was accomplishing the mark removal with a mid-tier (in cut) compound on a well used, dirty, medium cutting pad.

I really leaned on the machine and heated the panel to see if I could make the product dry out and spit dust. It did, but very little, and that could have been exacerbated by the already saturated pad. Clearly, I do not expect 'No Dust' and will not make that statement for the product but it seem to be very clean to work with.

Correcting Cream, I believe, is similar in attributes to HD Adapt. Which I really like Adapt but it is a 'light switch' of a product for me... it is either on or off. There is NO in between. If Correcting Cream can be more forgiving as far as it's ability to play well with a wider range of paint systems (especially wipe off)... then this will be my new light compound.

Best regards,
-Gabe
 
Dellinger said:
I do not currently own one Griot's Garage product... but as soon as I need to order more polishes, I will most likely pick up some products from the BOSS line.

I had a chance to play around with the new system at SEMA and came away impressed. Not only with the machines, pads, polishes but also with Jeff Brown. We chatted for almost 2 hours about the BOSS system and it is clear that Jeff has a clear vision for the future coupled with a firm grasp of technical + real world knowledge. Which I find exciting because 'better' products make competition within the industry 'better.' The winner is end user!

The BOSS machines contain a slight bit more vibration than my Rupes machines and a touch louder. However, the additional vibration was only really noticeable at light pressure (such as when you are spreading product over a work area or finessing an area at the end of a section.) When greater pressure is applied, the machine settles in and feels good with more power than my Rupes 21/15.


I scuffed an area of a non-metallic, black, test panel with 2000 at the Griot's booth and put the Correcting Cream, BOSS 21 machine, and orange pad to work. I worked the area for approximately 6 passes (which is all relative because everyone has their own style) but the cut and finish was GOOD (and I checked the panel with my own Rupes light after.) As one would expect, not all marks were leveled but I can tell you the vast majority were gone. All this was accomplished with a heavily soiled pad that was not clean. (Who knows how many times the pad had been used prior considering all the interested attendees trying these products at SEMA.) Only thing I could find to nit pick was the wipe off. A little stubborn but nothing horrible. And when it comes down to it... there's always a 'trade off' to every compound/ polish.

Now, I clearly would have expected any compound to remove 2000 marks from paint all day long BUT I was accomplishing the mark removal with a mid-tier (in cut) compound on a well used, dirty, medium cutting pad.

I really leaned on the machine and heated the panel to see if I could make the product dry out and spit dust. It did, but very little, and that could have been exacerbated by the already saturated pad. Clearly, I do not expect 'No Dust' and will not make that statement for the product but it seem to be very clean to work with.

Correcting Cream, I believe, is similar in attributes to HD Adapt. Which I really like Adapt but it is a 'light switch' of a product for me... it is either on or off. There is NO in between. If Correcting Cream can be more forgiving as far as it's ability to play well with a wider range of paint systems (especially wipe off)... then this will be my new light compound.

Best regards,
-Gabe
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Did you get a chance to try the Fast Cut with MF pads? That's my favorite combo! :)
 
Chad, I did not. I felt like I was already a "hog" of the test area lol. But, I will be including those products when I do order. Jeff spoke at length about that combo... definitely interested.

Best,
-Gabe
 
Thanks for your thought on this.
I've been rooting through reviews and comments of the Boss, Flex and Rupes and this one has me the most intrigued.
I've never been one for falling in step with the fanatics of any product in my various hobbies, so I have to say all the hatred hurled at the Boss almost makes me like it more. :D
 
craigdt said:
Thanks for your thought on this.
I've been rooting through reviews and comments of the Boss, Flex and Rupes and this one has me the most intrigued.
I've never been one for falling in step with the fanatics of any product in my various hobbies, so I have to say all the hatred hurled at the Boss almost makes me like it more. :D
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You might find a used GG15 if you look hard enough on other sites.
 
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