Here it is! BOSS - Best of Show System!

Bunky said:
It is also about having the money for lawyers to defend your patents. Even if the Griot's is wildly successful and Rupes was successful in some patent claim to recover significant part of the lost revenue as damages, it may not be worth the legal battle. The polisher volumes are NOT that high.

Rupes' only real strategy is to make their unit even better and try to reduce the price.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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Im curious as to what the argument is? You can find instances through history where human being on opposite sides of the planet were faced with the same problem and created the same solution. Now with communication where it is today, did everyone expect the Griots machine to be ten feet long, gas powered with spikes sticking out of the handle?
 
Broceratops said:
Now with communication where it is today, did everyone expect the Griots machine to be ten feet long, gas powered with spikes sticking out of the handle?
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I consider the Flex an example of a new design. They admit they took inspiration even re-used the washer fix. Why not 16mm or 22mm throw? It happens all the time in business and companies need to expect it.
 
Bunky said:
It is also about having the money for lawyers to defend your patents. Even if the Griot's is wildly successful and Rupes was successful in some patent claim to recover significant part of the lost revenue as damages, it may not be worth the legal battle. The polisher volumes are NOT that high.

Rupes' only real strategy is to make their unit even better and try to reduce the price.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
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No doubt this in already in the works. Hence my closing article comment. :)

The detailing industry has been exploding with great products, tools, and innovation over the past few years, fueled by a drive for excellence and thirst for competition and the top spot on the podium. Thus, with the release of these new Griot’s tools, I’m somehow reminded of the long history of the Camaro vs. the Mustang. Your move Rupes!
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Just for fun, is it just me or in the past 5 or so years the detailing industry has exploded overnight? [Primarily new age chemicals/protection (Hydro2 and Si Coatings), rapid advancements of the dual action polisher, speed enhancing decontamination products like Iron removers and clay substitutes, speedy prep towels and AIO polishes that are eliminating a lot of steps (Covering a greater range from say 1-10)]
 
If its not on the exempt list on one the 15 or 20 percent off sales I may be very tempted to try one. Problem is which one 21 would be nice for the trucks I play with at work, but 15 would probably be better for doing my personal cars.
 
From my conversations with multiple people at Rupes, these recent long throw machines are not hurting their market share much, if any. Mainly because Rupes primary target market isn't Detailers. It's the Paint & Body Shop industry. In fact, their sales has gained traction tremendously in the last few years and continues to do so at a very rapid pace. The people selling other long throw machines are not very strong (pretty much non-existent) in this market and it will really take quite a bit of organization by a really large player to threaten things. Not saying it couldn't happen, but perhaps not that quickly. Sure, one of these companies could knock on a couple doors, but do they really have the support structure in place that the Body Shop industry demands?
 
I think most people forget that paint and body shops are a necessity and everybody needs one at one time or another...detailers are not. Rupes knows what side their bread is buttered.
 
Thanks Mr. Hahn. I checked out the Dynabrades... Made in USA stamped proudly on their handles. I wish they would step into the enthusiast fray. I would buy one, but not pneumatic I'm afraid. I like new information. I researched polishers thoroughly when deciding to upgrade and went with Rupes over Flex and I am very happy, so happy I bought a mini here. I wonder if GG is going to stand pat or throw a copy of the mini into the fray and drop the underpowered 3 inch. The mini is a great machine.
 
Vega@Autopia said:
Griot's Garage Lifetime Guarantee - Griot's Garage will repair or replace any defective tool, without charge, due to faulty materials or workmanship for the working life of the tool, subject to exclusions.

*Two Year Comprehensive Warranty - With online warranty registration, Griot's Garage will facilitate replacement of worn parts caused by normal use, without charge, anytime during the two year from date of purchase.
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Hey Ray,

What does this mean in layman's terms?
 
Trouble said:
Hey Ray,

What does this mean in layman's terms?
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The guarantee (lifetime) refers to defects in manufacturing or parts. The warranty (2 years) covers wear caused by "normal" use of the tool. So, 2 years if you break it in the context of normal use, or lifetime if it breaks because of something being wrong with it when it left the factory.

Neither of of these things mean that they will replace it no questions asked. If Griots determines that it broke because you didn't use it properly, you're on your own even the day after you bought it.

Griots can choose to replace anything at any time. But they don't have to unless the problem falls within the guarantee or warranty periods.
 
RMD said:
The guarantee (lifetime) refers to defects in manufacturing or parts. The warranty (2 years) covers wear caused by "normal" use of the tool. So, 2 years if you break it in the context of normal use, or lifetime if it breaks because of something being wrong with it when it left the factory.

Neither of of these things mean that they will replace it no questions asked. If Griots determines that it broke because you didn't use it properly, you're on your own even the day after you bought it.

Griots can choose to replace anything at any time. But they don't have to unless the problem falls within the guarantee or warranty periods.
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Thanks for the explanation Robert Shapiro. Looks to me Griots warranty isn't what it use to be ...
 
Well my only hope now is that Sears copies the Griot's Boss machines offering a 900w motor with interchangeable heads. (15mm or 21mm) . $200 price range and $100 for the other head.
 
Not like anyone cares, but I think I've officially changed my opinion of this system. My initial reaction was it was just an overpriced knock off, but after watching all BOSS videos - it does seem like a lot of thought and work went into it.

IMHO, the only weak point of the Rupes is that it bogs down on certain complex panels. It seems Griot's has addressed this - or has tried to minimize it. I also agree that the Rupes cord kind of sucks - it just wants to stay in what position it was stored in.

Still think Griot's would sell a ton more of these of they were a few bucks cheaper.
 
Swanicyouth said:
Not like anyone cares, but I think I've officially changed my opinion of this system. My initial reaction was it was just an overpriced knock off, but after watching all BOSS videos - it does seem like a lot of thought and work went into it.

IMHO, the only weak point of the Rupes is that it bogs down on certain complex panels. It seems Griot's has addressed this - or has tried to minimize it. I also agree that the Rupes cord kind of sucks - it just wants to stay in what position it was stored in.

Still think Griot's would sell a ton more of these of they were a few bucks cheaper.
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I agree, no one cares. HA! Just kidding, Swanic.

After watching a Rasky's video (hat tip to you sir - excellent overview video) and reading all of the post about it here and over on AG, The Boss certainly does seem like a decent machine that Griots put a great deal of thought into getting right. Please allow me to take back my "Chinese knock off" comment from a few days ago.

The price still kills me, and wish it was cheaper since I can't justify buying another buffer.

Hey Vega, how about a BOSS system giveaway?!? :)
 
Wild guess- The new polishers won't be on sale for a while because they're new.

I understand the scaling-back on the warranty, but I'm not happy about it.

I sure don't need any more polishers, but I'd be torn between this new Griot's and buying a Rupes from Kevin.
 
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