Here it is! BOSS - Best of Show System!

The made in china argument died years ago. None of us would have tvs, cell phones, appliances, car parts, computers or 90% of other things we use in our daily lives. Throwing that out there now holds no weight whatsoever. We decided years ago in this country that we wanted affordable products in exchange for jobs and tax breaks.


You want to rip on China...?...be more concerned about them taking down our grid and infrastructure...not taking our money which we endorse everyday of our lives when we buy products we all use everyday.
 
Ccrew said:
The reality is though is that it's a global market. That American made item you bought could easily be made with bearings from China, a motor made in India, and a case made in the Philippines and assembled in the US then badged "Made in USA". It's about impossible any more to find anything 100% US made. Some things you can't at all. And we did most of that to ourselves striving to make more profits.

China can make good products, Apple is a prime example of that. You just have to QA constantly and watch the supply chain like a hawk to make sure what you're getting is what you specify.
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I'm sure its a fine machine, what you say is correct however I prefer products made here putting Americans to work for obvious reasons. For me giving a choice when I am ready I would purchase the Rupes.
 
I'm amazed at how many people are bashing this DA. It's another toy for the enthusiasts. I love the name. "The Boss". I always loved the BOSS 302 because I thought that was the most epic name ever for a car.

As far as looks, this is a pretty good looking unit. I don't mind the red body but I would prefer a black edition. And as far as all this talk about "Chinese knockoff" - my understanding a Chinese knockoff is a product that was copied exactly by the Chinese market, even down to the logo to imitate a product and sold for far less with obvious questionable build quality.

Although I agree that Griot can't claim they came up with this large throw DA and is in any way innovative with this product. But they took something that is innovative, put thought and research in how to make it better and attempted to create a superior product. If that product is successful or not, we will have to see.

This is how the world works. If a company invented something and no one else was allowed to "copy" the design and improve on it, we as humans would have not advanced as fast as we have. You wouldn't have all the options we take for granted today. smartphones, tv's, cars, movies, music.

I wish them luck. They are passionate about detailing and are in a financial position to run a business and be successful. Hopefully its a good machine that continues to push the limits on DA polisher technology so we can have better products down the road.
 
Trouble said:
What amazes me is how easily (CHEAP) some people can be bought
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Who was bought cheap? .....................be specific. Now onto debunking some of the knee jerk reactions and plain misinformed statements.


. Is the Rupes machine made in the Midwest USA?, thought it was Italy
. Rupes liquids are made by someone else not in house(Which is perfectly fine to do btw)
. The pricepoint imo is high for the Griots machines and I said as much in conjunction with my evaluations of all the products tested sent to me
. Flex is NOW owned by a CHINESE company................ so how much longer do you think the Flex products will be made in Germany
. Did you know almost all the coatings guys utilize are made in Asia sans two of the popular offerings (OCP/Gloss coat USA - C.A.R Bulletproof USA)
. 95 % of all microfiber towels are made in China with the balance of towels in Korea/Japan

In the US I was the first guy to get a Rupes 21(Which is much ado over nothing as guys in Europe had them and were using them already) the washer mod was a invention of Kevin Brown period, in fact there was a backlash against the washer initially from the maker Rupes and a certain person in the Midwest who after watching how well this made the machine perform changed course 180 degrees and was one of the factors I blew this guy up over on a FB detailers page.

I chuckle as there was so many guys who said similar things about the Rupes machines when they were introduced, one detailer in Long Island comes to mind .................xxxxxing about the pricepoint, stating as fact the machine could NOT be better than a Flex blah blah blah. The blatant me 2 culture on the forums is so comical to watch, instead of waiting to see how certain products will perform they opine ignorant stuff.

I have also watched with mouth open, how guys can be swayed by silliness......................... certain famous detailer who uses Rupes and touts it's amazing properties and when the relationship goes south goes BACK to a rotary as it is better(Unfriended & blocked this guy on FB the minute I saw this as I almost blew him up over the post) and MANY guys supported the posts he made!!! and said yeah Rupes sucks rotary is MUCH BETTER which is a laugh because many of those guys who said that cannot cut and finish a car with a rotary(I did for many years before DA machines came along).

Will I be getting rid of my four Rupes machines??? no, and I was a tester for this product line(Griots) as I tested for Meguiars and 3D/HD collectively when they introduced their new product lines and Meg's also had detractors from the peanut gallery with the D300 microfiber system.......................... do not remember 3d/HD catching any flack over Adapt/polish etc.........

How about letting any product line flourish or flop based upon performance, I like the BOSS machines as they feel good in your hands and the trigger allows feathering when correcting and or polishing. Another feature I like is the indent on the top of the machine as when you are done with a pass and set the machine down as the pad is still spinning it will stay upright and not flop around violently as the Rupes machine does.

To answer Dave Fermani, all large throw machine wear out pads sooner especially foam pads and in my observation the Griots machines did not wear out the pads any faster. I had pre-production testing machines and I felt the Griots machines needed a little more power and said so in my eval sheets plus I voiced this opinion, so when I use the final production model I will see how they perform. The backing plates are very good as are the pads.

My favorite liquid is the fast correcting cream, the first version sent to me worked very well as it cuts defects and dusts very little and the citrus smell was a nice by product but not a deal breaker as performance is my concern................. it wipes off the panel you are working on easily and those are the weak points of M101 dust and grabby wipe off performance on certain paints(M101 is still the cutting defects champ by far and is outstanding) the later version of the fast correcting cream is even better imo.

As for the machine looking exactly like the Rupes yes it is true, and had I had the funds to make a machine the design would have been a sharp departure from the intended competition in every sense. There I have clarified some things as I HAVE USED this system and can give a informed opinion but it is still a opinion at the end of the day.
 
pwaug said:
Bob--Did you have a chance to try the 15 with pads other than Griots? Contemplating a purchase and using it with my existing Buff & Shine pads and curious as to how they perform.
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Forgot to address this question, yes I used all my pads with this machine so they worked well along with the pads sent to test, the GG 15 Boss machine is a great polishing machine and can correct but just takes a few more passes.
 
pretty sure the new Griots machine has a patent, as I searched the directory once I learned that the product that was coming out used the name BOSS. all of this info is free, readily available online, and easy to find. they at least have a trademark on the BOSS name, and I assume it also incorporates the product design itself.
 
Sam Weston,creator of the GI Joe Action Figure once said " the best way to make a living with your imagination is to develop innovative applications, not imagine completely new concepts".

CREATIVE people say "give me a good idea and I'll give you a better idea!" .

First thing I thought after seeing the new machine was "Rupes Copy!" ...but really IMO this is a good thing, as it will challenge the makers of Rupes to now work on something newer and better which will only benefit us by potentially making what we do more time efficient and give us even more options than before. It's the same for all markets(game consoles,guns,phones,tablets,TVs,cars...most if not all products out there!). Entrepreneurial Companies that compete will always be challenging each other which causes them to work on their business even more and pushing for more innovative things.

Who knows, maybe Porter Cable is just behind the scenes taking notes of all this and soon will come out with a Flex/Rupes hybrid and call it "The BIG PAPI PC 7425XXX KOWABUNGA SYSTEM".

Good for GG with their newest addition to their product line and for all major brands for keeping one another on their toes.
 
MooreImpressive said:
pretty sure the new Griots machine has a patent, as I searched the directory once I learned that the product that was coming out used the name BOSS. all of this info is free, readily available online, and easy to find. they at least have a trademark on the BOSS name, and I assume it also incorporates the product design itself.
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Trademarks have nothing to do with patents, other than their common administration by the USPTO.
 
I didn't really mean it like that. what I basically meant was, if they got the name BOSS trademarked, surely they also patented it, as well. especially considering the same office handles both of these. that's if they even could get a patent on a product that is very similar to other products from other companies that are already patented.
 
I'm sure it's a nice machine, but nothing to get really excited about. I have to wonder with all the machines that have come out copying the Rupes, why we don't see more Flex ripoffs

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All the negative Griots comments crack me up. Sure they copied the large throw design of the Rupes and then made improvements to it.

When they upgraded the PC and came out with the GG did people jump up and scream rip off??

Now that polisher is touted as a proven DA polisher with a company that stands behind a its products. I have no doubt the G21 and G15 will impress.

The prelim tests from some of the best Detailers in the industry have all been positive. What more do you need ??

Buy one and try it for yourself. Until then quit speculating on this and that until you have actual hands on experience with the product.
 
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