help... i'm about to spend $130 on a Zymol kit

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wizardofahs

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As some of you know i'm always looking to try new stuff. I have done some searching and it seems most of this board is against zymol. Saying anything less than $100 won't get you something better than souveren. I've used souveren... lots lately. Even on customer's cars. I'm not sure if i'm just getting used to it or what.



I just threw a layer of Final Polish on my car followed up by some Souveren... looks good... i guess. I don't really think it looks anything amazing... but maybe i'm just to used to it. I was reading and someone said to try some Liquid Glass and Zymol.



At the parts store i work at we carry the Zymol cleaner wax... i didn't think to much of it as it was a cleaner wax. Then i went over to the website and started looking, and wow. They have their own wax for a NSX. (i know most of you probably know this). They even have their Japon wax which is ment for japanese cars with thin paint. And their Carbon wax ment for dark cars. The bottle looks so neet. It comes in a nice little kit with everything else. I really feel like i should get some. Like it must be better due to the method of application and everything. But here people just didn't like it. I want something better than what i'm using now. (and yes i've tried klasse, blackfire, zaino, meguiars...) i'm almost tempted to get the kit and try it out myself... to see if there is a difference. i don't want to waste money though. If it is a 100% sure thing that it doesn't compare to souveren... then i guess i shouldn't buy it. I already read some stuff from thewaxtest about how they didn't like it.



Really i just keep wanting something better... and i'm tempted to try this and see. But people have such bad things to say about it. How many people have used Japon or Carbon? Durability doesn't bother me too much... I plan on waxing every 2 weeks, plus for the winter my car will be covered in Zaino.
 
IMO the application method of Zymol is a major PITA and not really worth it. I have used their stuff in the past and I can honestly say the shine did not knock my socks off, there was nothing overly impressive about it. It's a little better than a Blitz shine but not much, and I would venture to say that very few people could tell the difference. For me personally for the durability of the product and the shine it gives there is no chance in hell I can justify spending that kind of money on Zymol when I can buy a can of Blitz for $15 and get basically the same look that will last at least 4 times as long. That's never even mentioning what a pain the stuff if to use.



You will need to wax every 2 weeks because that's about how long the stuff will last, maybe even less than that depending on your climate conditions.



But hey it's your money. If you want it, buy it.
 
Dr. Jones said:
I just threw a layer of Final Polish on my car followed up by some Souveren... looks good... i guess. I don't really think it looks anything amazing... but maybe i'm just to used to it. I was reading and someone said to try some Liquid Glass and Zymol.
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To get a shine that will knock your socks off, instead of using a polymer/resin type of product as your base, try using an oil-based polish such as Meguiar's #7, P21S GEPC, or PPCL first and then top it with the Souveran or Zymol.
 
"I want something better than what i'm using now. (and yes i've tried klasse, blackfire, zaino, meguiars...) i'm almost tempted to get the kit and try it out myself... to see if there is a difference. "



Are you sure the carvas you are trying to paint is the best it can be? As mention in many threads the prep of the finish is the major factor in the final outcome of any surface protectant and gloss enhancer. :nixweiss
 
Zymol will give you a great short-lived shine which is comparable to other quality Caranubas, which is why Autopians do not believe it's worth it... the "Price to Shine" ratio is not really there.



I sunk some $$ and bought their "cheap" sampler kit along with other goodies.



Carbon is a nice wax, apply with the foam applicator and remove before it dries, otherwise it will take a lot of effort to buff



Concourse and Atlantique are really time consuming with the "hand" application (literally)



I allways use a MF towel to remove and the car has a great shine.



Keep Zymol away from plastic trim (uless you like it chaulky)



The shine is definitively "deeper" than just Klasse SG*5.



One thing i noticed about Zymol, tha application instructions are very simmilar to the "councourse trick", apply a layer of wax and buff before it dries.





I have used other products, HD clense is nice

the blue shampoo is nice

wheel cleeaner and protector are good, but the brush fell apart after a few months

Towels and MF are ok

CLEAR body wash does not sud the way i like
 
Not entirely happy with Klasse, Zaino, BF, Souveran? Wowww, you are hard to please. I agree with BlkZ28Conv. Might want to spend the money and time on more paint prep products which is the base for ultimate shine... And like Intermezzo stated, since you are not happy with polymer products and durability is no concern to you, you might want to experiment with oil based products. Everyone's expectation is different. Some prefer highly reflective/sharp reflection mirror shine, while others prefers oily wet finish.. Experiment I guess.



I've used Zymol before and the wax I got had to be applied by hand (need heat to melt it). It took me almost 3 hours to apply & buff... Spent most of my time fighting with streaks. The result is not bad, but definitely not justifiable for 3 hours of work!
 
I work with Zymol all the time. The Carbon is a good wax but will not give you as deep a shine as the Souveran IMHO. If you really want to go for a deep shine, look into the Concours. It is great stuff and provides a very deep carnauba shine and depth. Make sure you use the HD Cleanse first though. The problem with buying this kit is that a little Zymol goes a long way. Everybody who is having a problem applying is most likely using too much wax. This wax will last a lot of applications but the HD Cleanse goes fast. If you are not happy with it (most likely due to the tricky application directions) you will have a lot left over.



As far as the durability goes. How do you guys lose the wax so quickly? I assume you all wash the car regularly with a moderate soap and take decent care of your car. I really do not understand the durability issue. I mean Zymol is no sealant but it lasts the average for a carnauba product for me. I appreciate any feedback from you guys concerning this. Thanks in advance.
 
I think blkZ28conv hit the nail on the head here. There's only so much shine and gloss you're gonna get from a factory paint job. Even if you had one of John Ross's Bentley's you could only get so much gloss out of the paint.



I'm not sure what your expections are but I'm afraid to say that you have to set them fairly low when dealing with factory paint jobs. Hondas are nice little cars but they are designed as affordable and economical vehicles. Honda isn't trying to impress anyone with their paint. Making it thru the warranty period is the main priority for them. Frankly, most all production vehicles are painted with this as their top priority.



There is only so much car polish can do for you. It's not "Miracle In A Bottle". It sounds to me like you've got all the shine from the factory paint that you're gonna get. If you want more, next step is custom paint. Might as well save your Zymol money for that day.



Sorry to be a wet blanket.
 
Intermezzo said:




To get a shine that will knock your socks off, instead of using a polymer/resin type of product as your base, try using an oil-based polish such as Meguiar's #7, P21S GEPC, or PPCL first and then top it with the Souveran or Zymol.
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follow intermezzo's instructions, GEPC! didn't geeky say P21S had the highest gloss?
 
I used Zymol products for a year or so before I found this place. Here's what I think about the waxes.



Carbon -- not nearly as nice a finish as Souveran.



Creme -- see Carbon



Concours -- nearly as nice a finish as Souveran. DOesn't last as long, though. Hazy/streaky in high humidity. Applies poorly below 60F. Use a ton more than Souveran -- and here is why.



All the Zymol estate waxes are applied with your bare hand. You put wax in your hand, warm it, then spread it on the car's surface. Wait 60 seconds, then buff off. Buff/dust again in 4 hours.



1. There is no way that you can spread as thin a coat with your fingers as youcan with foam. You just cannot get the pressure even over as large an area.



2. You always have a bunch of wax on your fingers and palm. As soon as you go for the MF to buff a 60 second area, you wipe the excess wax onto the MF. Then you go "reload" your hand from scratch. With foam, you get a nice layer build up on the pad one time rathen than starting from scratch each time.



I can do a large sedan with Souveran in probably a quarter of the time I could with Concours.
 
Answer: Because they could not get their wax formula to work without streaking and clouding unless the wax temp was above 80 degrees.



Solution: Create marketing hype that the waxes should be applied by hand, thus warming the wax to the right temperature.



My BS meter just got pegged! But, hey, I do have to hand it to Chuck Bennett for being so creative. :rolleyes:



If you want a Zymol wax that's equal to Souveran, you have to jump to Zymol Destiny, which has a street price of about $400.
 
hey autopia town mayor......



why dont u go one on one with chuck bennett from zymol......funny i cant find your car care products anywhere.....

maybe because you dont have any.......hhmmmmmmm.





frog
 
I guess i'll just have to try some better prep (or maybe more layers of souveren) to get a little more. I mean really i supose my car is already stuning... i looked at the hood in direct sunlight yesterday and I was about 98.7% happy with the swirls... that means that 98.8% of the hood was swirl free. I also should start parking inside... it seems to do a light rain here every night that just covers my car with waterspots daily. speaking of which.. let me run outside right quick and see if this morning will require a QD or a full wash... ::runs outside:: Looks like a full wash... (first wash with souveren). maybe a wash and another coat will be satisfactory for me.
 
leyland said:
hey autopia town mayor......



why dont u go one on one with chuck bennett from zymol......funny i cant find your car care products anywhere.....

maybe because you dont have any.......hhmmmmmmm.
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Yeah, that's a real good one....naive...but good. I personally have no interest in trying out a wax with zymol's price-tag that is now being manufactured by Meguiar's. I'll stick with my Souveran/P21S/Blitz/Meg#26 rotation.
 
michaelb said:
I used Zymol products for a year or so before I found this place. Here's what I think about the waxes.

2. You always have a bunch of wax on your fingers and palm. As soon as you go for the MF to buff a 60 second area, you wipe the excess wax onto the MF. Then you go "reload" your hand from scratch. With foam, you get a nice layer build up on the pad one time rathen than starting from scratch each time.
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I always applied it with my palms but never the fingers as it's much faster. There are still several good things applying wax by bare hand. You can really feel the wax on your hand, so it's difficult to miss any coverage and you can "reload" more precisely. Also, I doubt you will ever scratch the paint this way, since our skin is much more gentle than terry or foam. Also, I could feel just about every specks/debris with my hand. As soon as I feel it, I can get rid of it before continuing with the wax job.. With foam applicator, you will never feel it until you start seeing scratches or unless you inspect the applicator every couple wipes. Of course, if you wash & rinse the car very, very well then this is nothing to worry about.



Alboston, P21S has the highest gloss? hmm I wonder how it compares to Souveran... Wish Geeky is still around to get his comment.. I believe they are about the same though.. Dunno, the only P21S shine I see in person are from some "shoes". Can you believe some people polish their shoes with auto wax? :p
 
William420 said:
Alboston, P21S has the highest gloss? hmm I wonder how it compares to Souveran... Wish Geeky is still around to get his comment.. I believe they are about the same though..
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William,



I believe Alboston was trying to say that P21S's paint cleanser had the highest gloss among the various pre-wax cleaners.
 
Tony,



My bad. Thanks for the clarification. :) If weather permits, I will be trying the paint cleanser this weekend and see what the fuss is about. :D
 
Alot of good points and suggestions here. I think bretfraz is the closest to the reality of it all. How far can you take factory paint??

I'm always looking to get more out of my shine, but hey there is only so far you can go.......right? Auto manufacturers vary in paint quality, but most produce very nice paint. Most are producing a paint job that will just "hold up"and get you through your warranty. But there again, we are the minority. Everyone does not take the time and care that we do with our vehicles. The manufacturers know this. Paint is significant, but is not a priority for them.Most consumers don't have a clue either. Most vehicles are lucky to see a coat of Turtle Wax once a year. Have'nt you ever heard anyone say....I don't need to wax it....I just bought it? Most people don't know or don't give a #%^*@" or both. I think it's like he said, if you have reached that limit....next level is "custom paint" But there again, if you should obtain a dent or bad scratch,just think of the $$$$ to match it back up. I had one 2 inch chrome illusion stripe outlined in purple marble around my old Cobra. If I had gotten the slightest little ding,scratch or worsrt, it would have jacked my repainting bill from about $75-$100 to $200 to $300 bucks.Moral of the story..........join the rest of us in that endless pursuit of the unacheivable "perfect shine"

PEACE:xyxthumbs
 
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