Hazing Vs. Marring

hazing is a lack of gloss (dullness) from a strong compound or incomplete breakdown of compound/polish. The way to fix it is to finish with a finishing pad and finishing polish.
 
hazing is marring. Hazing is caused by super ultrafine scratches in the CC due to pad/polish combination and/or not working in the polish enough or even working it in too long and "dry buffing", generally seen when cutting to get rid of swirls and what not.



When you're using a heavy polish/compound to get rid of swirls, the goal is to replace the swirls with micromarring/haziness so you can then go over it with a fine polish and polishing pad to remove said micromarring and end up with a mar free finish.
 
Darren F said:
Would using XMT360 with a polishing pad correct it?
Temporarily. 360 has fillers in it which will give the impression of "correcting" it but after a few washes you'll notice them reappearing. Optimum Polish with a white pad would be a better choice
 
Does anyone feel like creating a thread that showcases problems such as micromarring, spiderwebbing, basic swirls, intensive swirls, bird etching, etc.? I think it would be a huge help to new members:nixweiss
 
93AccordLXwhite said:
Does anyone feel like creating a thread that showcases problems such as micromarring, spiderwebbing, basic swirls, intensive swirls, bird etching, etc.? I think it would be a huge help to new members:nixweiss
I think the same info can be found in the click and brag section. Members post up before and after pics and alot of them do a write up on not only the products used but also the condition of the paint and what kind of defects they encounter on said detail job.
 
93AccordLXwhite said:
Does anyone feel like creating a thread that showcases problems such as micromarring, spiderwebbing, basic swirls, intensive swirls, bird etching, etc.? I think it would be a huge help to new members:nixweiss

that would be sweet for someone to do. :bow



I am often wondering if I am seeing hazing/micro-marring or just old paint with pits in it from rocks and junk.
 
rkf76 said:
I think the same info can be found in the click and brag section. Members post up before and after pics and alot of them do a write up on not only the products used but also the condition of the paint and what kind of defects they encounter on said detail job.



I know that it can if a user searches hard enough, and looks through enough posts, but I don't believe that it's as good as a dedicated thread because:



Not many click and brags focus directly on the different types of contamination/defects and how to spot them i.e.

"Here is rail dust that has been embedded into the paint. You can tell it is rail dust because _______ and ________. The best way to fix this problem is with ______ or ______."



And also, not many threads I see have discussions such as "Here is micromarring caused by _______."

"While I can see your reasoning for believing the micromarring was caused by _______, do you think that it could have been caused by _______ also? I have similar micromarring on my car, and have products ________, ________, and _______, what and how would you recommend I use them?"



Just my $0.02, I don't have enough knowledge or resources to create a thread on the subject so I was hoping someone else would:) I mean how frustrating would it be to try and remove intensive swirls with something like OP by hand. Or worse, taking SSR3 and trying to remove scratches you can feel with your fingernail.



My argument is basically that new members are often intimidated by the thought of permanently hurting their paint, when in reality you can do a lot of correction safely,



and two, that some people will try an incorrect product which is not strong enough for their needs and then give up on detailing on their own, when it can really be a very rewarding and fun experience.
 
rkf76 said:
I think the same info can be found in the click and brag section. Members post up before and after pics and alot of them do a write up on not only the products used but also the condition of the paint and what kind of defects they encounter on said detail job.





Ok where is the "click and brag" section and how would you search trough that ?
 
93AccordLXwhite said:
I know that it can if a user searches hard enough, and looks through enough posts, but I don't believe that it's as good as a dedicated thread because:



Not many click and brags focus directly on the different types of contamination/defects and how to spot them i.e.

"Here is rail dust that has been embedded into the paint. You can tell it is rail dust because _______ and ________. The best way to fix this problem is with ______ or ______."
True, no single click and brag is going to focus on the different types of contamination and defects unless they are present on the vehicle they are doing. Which is why you should read many of them in order to see the different contaminants and defects they are addressing and what products they are using to eliminate said contaminants and defects.



93AccordLXwhite said:
I mean how frustrating would it be to try and remove intensive swirls with something like OP by hand. Or worse, taking SSR3 and trying to remove scratches you can feel with your fingernail.
I'd imagine it being very frustrating indeed. Here's my experience. I have been "detailing" since 92 or 93, but only with OTC products and always by hand.....until about 2000 when I bought a Craftsman RO buffer, the kind that uses bonnets instead of pads. I found this place in March of 2005 and got serious about this passion of mine. I read tons of threads, observing everything from the problems with the paint to the products being used to the technique being used to obtain the correction. Only when I felt I had the information I needed to get the job done on my car did I go out and buy a machine and products in order to do so. I did not just buy a product blindly and go to town not knowing if I was using the correct product for the job, that would be pretty ignorant. A paint job costs hundreds, even thousands of dollars, reading threads on this board is free
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93AccordLXwhite said:
My argument is basically that new members are often intimidated by the thought of permanently hurting their paint when in reality you can do a lot of correction safely. Some people will try an incorrect product which is not strong enough for their needs and then give up on detailing on their own, when it can really be a very rewarding and fun experience.
Research, research, research!!!



I guess it would be convenient to have all the info in a single thread, but I don't think that's realistic so I'd tell those guys to just read as much as they can, search for topics of interest and read up on it before you go tearing up your paint job. I haven't seen anyone mess up their pant job by reading threads!



Danny318 said:
I am often wondering if I am seeing hazing/micro-marring or just old paint with pits in it from rocks and junk.
I'm not trying to offend you, but if you can't tell the difference between rock pits and hazing then you probably should leave this to the professionals.



Largebore said:
Ok where is the "click and brag" section and how would you search trough that ?
LOL. This pretty much justifies my stance on this topic. Guys just aren't exploring the board or searching for the topics they're interested in.



The click and brag section is in the main forum, just scroll down and you'll see it. To search, there is a button at the top right hand side of this page, just under the palm tree. Click on it and enter what it is you'd like to search for and it'll do the rest!! Have fun.
 
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