haze after #16

for starters, 16 is definitely simpler to apply by PC. the only downsides i saw this time around with the 16 is that it did slightly haze (MUCH less than before), so i guess while i'm still using a bit too much product, i am using a more appropriate amount than before. i'll probably put on another coat on friday and then i'll put it on REAL light. hopefully that'll do the *right* trick. :)
 
tuffluck- Sounds like you're on the right track. Remember to go over it twice when removing. The fist pass should get almost all of it off. Then use a second, fresh MF/CBT/whatever to get any excess that the first pass missed. Consider how well buffed my #16 is after I go over it with the Cyclo and its MF bonnets, yet I *still* give it a thorough going-over with the CBT, fogging the surface with my breath and carefully inspecting each area before I move on.
 
that could also be a reason for the haze seeing as although i went over it well, i only used a single MF towel to do so. no biggy though, the haze will come off with the next wash, i'll just make sure i do it more correctly the second time around.



another thing with the haze is that you can't really wipe it off, just smear it in different directions, which is why i think my haze is the result of too much product, not the result of incomplete removal.



any other tips you got for me? how long do you usually go in between coats of 16? i'm hoping to last a couple of months easily.
 
I love #16, and if you decide you don't like it, I'll take it off your hands (PM me).



When I apply it, I do it by hand using one of those foam applicators with a black working surface and a blue hemispherical "knob" on top of the black. I forget the brand name of it, I got it at Autozone. Anyway it fits neatly inside the can. A half twist clockwise and back (Warning! Do NOT twist counterclockwise first!) and the pad is loaded. You will not be able to see any wax on the pad, but it's there.



I buff off before it dries solid, using a white 100% cotton towel. I feel like the cotton terry has more "bite" and more capacity than MF. Anyway I go over the car again after it's all finished, this time with a MF buffing towel. I personally don't fog the car with my breath as I'm doing it, but I do put on my reading glasses and get my face close enough to do that, if I had as much breath as a true fanatic!
 
tuffluck said:
that could also be a reason for the haze seeing as although i went over it well, i only used a single MF towel to do so. no biggy though, the haze will come off with the next wash, i'll just make sure i do it more correctly the second time around.



another thing with the haze is that you can't really wipe it off, just smear it in different directions, which is why i think my haze is the result of too much product, not the result of incomplete removal.



any other tips you got for me? how long do you usually go in between coats of 16? i'm hoping to last a couple of months easily.
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tuffluck- Yeah, use more than one MF, even if you're putting it on thin. A *lot* of people like to use terry for removing #16, but I worry about micromarring so I stick with the TOL suede-style MF and the CBT.



If the haze just smears, it'll dry and buff off eventually, unless you're in some kind of extremely humid/hot environment. The "the result of too much product, not the result of incomplete removal" is really, IMO, just two sides of the same coin.



Thinking again of this thread, just for kicks this afternoon I put some of the #16 on the A8 *very* thick, as in goofy-thick by my standards. Let it set up about 10-15 minutes and it come off just fine. Well, it took a bit more effort than my thin coats, but no biggie.



I got a little haze myself, no doubt a result of trying to do two coats on a big car with one set of bonnets/one CBT. A bit of extra buffing with the (same) CBT got it off though.



Observation: when I was finished, I tried to squeeze some #16 out of my applicator and the applicator pads on the Cyclo. I got a little out of the hand applicator (enough to do some areas on the underside of the hood), but none out of the applicators I was using on the Cyclo.



Hard to say how long your #16 will last because there are just *so* many variables. I always got at least two or three when I used it on a car I kept outside 24/7. Sometimes it'll last a lot longer than that. What I'd do is keep an eye peeled for either of these things: a drop-off in slickness and/or a change in beading. When you notice either of these, apply another coat.



Clutch Cargo- Heh heh, "...if I had as much breath as a true fanatic" :D See, I knew my being a windbag would come in handy some day!
 
thanks for your input. my car will be outside, but will be shielded from rain and sun, and etc because of a covered parking spot, so it should last a bit longer.



how long should i allow 16 to cure? could i put another coat on 12 hours after i put the first coat? i'm just curious, since i've got the time.
 
tuffluck said:
how long should i allow 16 to cure? could i put another coat on 12 hours after i put the first coat? i'm just curious, since i've got the time.
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I dunno if *anybody* really has the correct answer to this. IMO 12 hours is sorta soon, but I don't see any problem and IMO it'll make for a slight improvement.



The problem with doing it too soon is that the new wax will dissolve some of the not-yet-cured old wax. But as long as the new wax leaves more than it takes off you're still ahead.



Another coat after the next wash (say, in a week or so) would probably be a good idea and I try to always add a coat after the first time a fresh waxjob has been washed.
 
well i just did my 2nd coat of 16 after a few days since the last one. boy, it was HUMID out tonight. first i washed it, then i did a layer, and then taking the layer off was impossible! it smeared so bad it looked like my entire car was micro-marred. so i decided to re-wash it to attempt to wash all that haze off....nope! didn't work. the haze was so bad that washing the car didn't even take it off. so then i went at with some QD and that took off a good majority of it, although it is not completely haze-free.



i didn't use too much product, i guess it just must have been the humidity. my shift was soaked when i was done, and that was from sweat and rarely happens to me. so i guess it was just too humid to do this project tonight (too late).



do you think maybe if i wash the car tomorrow night it will remove the rest of that haze? it suprises me that it did not work tonight since i've had haze before and solved it by washing the car. i guess maybe i just did not have haze this bad before?
 
tuffluck said:
well i just did my 2nd coat of 16 after a few days since the last one. boy, it was HUMID out tonight. first i washed it, then i did a layer, and then taking the layer off was impossible! it smeared so bad it looked like my entire car was micro-marred. so i decided to re-wash it to attempt to wash all that haze off....nope! didn't work. the haze was so bad that washing the car didn't even take it off. so then i went at with some QD and that took off a good majority of it, although it is not completely haze-free.



i didn't use too much product, i guess it just must have been the humidity. my shift was soaked when i was done, and that was from sweat and rarely happens to me. so i guess it was just too humid to do this project tonight (too late).



do you think maybe if i wash the car tomorrow night it will remove the rest of that haze? it suprises me that it did not work tonight since i've had haze before and solved it by washing the car. i guess maybe i just did not have haze this bad before?
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When you washed this time was the haze from the previous application gone?



I have never had #16 haze on me.
 
tuffluck- Gee, you're sure living up to your user-name on this one ;)



I've just never had that sort of problem with #16, and I've used it under humid conditions.



Are you working limited areas at a time? I'll apply to a panel, and about the time I finish with the next panel the first one is ready to be wiped off. I wouldn't, for instance, do a whole side of the car before I started buffing it off.



Sorry, I'm just stumped....but, while you say you're not using too much, it still sounds that way to me. I use so little #16 that even if I just left it on there, without buffing it at all, it wouldn't look too terribly hazed up.



After you wash, I'd go over the car with the QD and some MFs. Just work slowly, one area at a time, until you get the haze/excess product off.
 
well let's put things this way: i used as much 16 on the 2nd coat as i did the first coat, and you remember me saying that i did the 1st coat with minimal hazing, don't you? and yes, i wasn't letting it dry for very long.



it looks like my hood was really the only thing that got hazed pretty badly, and i suppose the fact that my hood was hot after driving it COULD have something to do with why the 16 hazed so badly on it. every other panel on the car looked mostly normal, some even had no haze at all.
 
OK, heat from underhood could cause some problems all right.



Sure wish I could be of more real help, but maybe some more experience/practice will get things working better for you. I'm encouraged by your report that some panels have *no* hazing.



If you decide to say "enough, already!" I'm sure somebody would be happy to take that can of #16 off your hands :D
 
I have had some hazing / smearing troubles when using #16. The more humidity, the more likely for me to have trouble. Each and every time I had this trouble, I realized that it was area's that I had applied it to thick. When I first started using #16, I was always sure that I was applying a thin coat, But was having trouble with it either being hard to remove or finding hazed areas after I thought I had removed everything. I was about to put my can of #16 down and never pick it up again. I was able to get some great advice from scottwax, Mike Phillips, and a few others in hear who names I cannot remember (sorry), but they were a great help. My first mistake was that I was putting too much wax on the applicator, causing me to apply too much wax to the surface. Second, I was not spreading it out nearly as much as I should be, (even tho I thought I was). This is what I found that works for me (you can try it at your own risk). First I open the can and set it on the bench that I have thats next to the car and never pick it up until I am done with the entire car, more on that later. Second, I make 1 swipe across the wax with a hand applicator and start applying. I spread that amount out as far as I absolutely can, for example the whole door and more depending on the size of the door. Also I spread it out so that thier aren't any spots that I can see the wax, my philosphy being if I can see the wax I have it too thick and I am going to have trouble with it later. I go back to the can and make another swipe and go to the next panel and do the same, until I have done the whole car. The reason I don't pick up the can of wax and carry it with me, is so I force myself to use every bit of wax that is on the applicator before making anther swipe, if I carry the can with me, I find it too easy to put wax on the applicator sooner than need be causing me to apply too much wax resulting in difficult removal or hazing. My goal is that when I am finished applying the wax, I don't see anything but the shine of the paint and no wax, maybe a slight smear when the light hits it right. Then I go to the 1st panel I started with and start wiping it off. When you apply it this thin, it wipes off with ease and no smears, hazes, or streaks. I only use #16 on the cars I own since it is no longer made, and so, I only apply it when I can take my time and concentrate on what I am doing and keeping it thin, thin ,thin. I am not sure how others apply #16, but this is what I found works for me.

Best of luck. :)
 
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