having trouble reaching my goals, pissing me off now!

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razahyde

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Well ive been detailing for a while now and i do mostly new cars. Ive detailed cars from Ferraris to Maybachs. But whenever I run into an older car needing swirl removal I am never satisfied.



I feel as if im shorting the customer because there are to many scratches and swirls left in the car once im done. The car looks like glass when im done but it still has fine scratches and swirls.



Here’s what im using



Adams swirl/haze polish

Adams Revive polish

Adams double sided green/orange quick release pads



I am hitting the swirls with the roughest pad at almost 5-6k rpm on the PC and it still doesn’t look how I want. I’m to the point where im going to dump those products for something else. I don’t see how I could be doing anything wrong because im claying and prepping the surface really good prior to polishing. I can let the PC sit there for long as 20 seconds and it still won’t make swirls go away.



So can you guys lead me in the right direction? I told the customer I owe him a free detail so im going to go back and make that car the way I want it. I need your help so I can get this job done right.



So basically in my mind I think the combo im using isn’t good enough. I am to the point where im going to buy a rotary, new pads, new polishes, and anything else I may need for swirls specifically. Id like for you guys to help me in achieving that goal!





heres samples of my work. i wish i had macro shots to show you guys what im talking about.



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-Raza
 
JonP said:
Try Menzerna to see if that works better for you.
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tahts what a friend keeps on telling me. im about to order some but is it worth buying a rotary for the menzerna? or should i just get new pads for my PC?
 
Products my man. Upgrade to the Menzerna. I have yet to hear anything bad about it. I personally use Optimum since it's so versatile. Pads are your number 2 thing to take a look at.
 
The BMW and Lexus look relatively good but the Maybach could use some work. Also remember that you are working with black, the biggest pita.



Start with a heavier pad and or a heavier polish and work your way from there.



Do you work outdoors?
 
Chris330Ci said:
o hai fellow bfc texas poaster :wave
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haha hey man, whats your username on bfc?



Chris330Ci said:
Products my man. Upgrade to the Menzerna. I have yet to hear anything bad about it. I personally use Optimum since it's so versatile. Pads are your number 2 thing to take a look at.
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Chris330Ci said:
The BMW and Lexus look relatively good but the Maybach could use some work. Also remember that you are working with black, the biggest pita.



Start with a heavier pad and or a heavier polish and work your way from there.



Do you work outdoors?
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teh maybach actually looked REALLY GOOD, the pictures do the car no justice whatsoever.



yea im about to order the menzerna lineup and use that just for cars with really bad swirls and scratches. what kind of pads do you recommend. its about time i picked up some new pads too.
 
It's actually probably time for me to replace mine. I have Yellow for extreme correction, Orange for pits and deep scratches, White for a majority of correction with my OP, and my black pad for smoothing things out with OP and a separate black pad for the glaze application.



I apply Klasse with black pad and the PC since hand application can be heavy at times and heavy apps of Klasse is almost suicide to remove.



I always apply true waxes by hand gently. Most are easy to remove.



BMW323iDude on bfc. teehee
 
Throw another vote in for Menzerna polishes. You might want to consider getting 4" pads, too. They'll give your PC the most muscle.



It looks like you're busy... you might also want to consider a rotary. Once you get the hang of it, it'll save you sooo much time. You'll wonder how you ever detailed without it.
 
I agree with the others, get rid of the Adam's and step up to some Menzerna. Also for heavier cut that still finishes down well try some Meg's M105.



And yes I would also step up to the rotary, if you plan on charging for paint correction and swirl removal then you will need a rotary as the PC just doesn't cut the swirls well enough.



Josh
 
so a combo of pads, pc, and products is my issue.





looked some stuff up and im about to order this to deal with my swirl issues.



Menzerna Super Intensive Polish, Menzerna PO 83 , Mernzerna PO85RD 3.02

Menzerna Nano Polish, Mernzerna 106FF, Menzerna po106, Mernzerna polish



or should i just get this set?

Menzerna Maximum Shine KitFree Bonus!





would the powergloss be overkill? the site says its 1000-1500 grit on their scale.

Menzerna Power Gloss, menzerna powergloss, menzerna S34A, menzerna s34, menzerna compound



i was thinking of ordering the Super Intensive Polish, Nano Polish, and the powergloss for when i run in to extremely heavy swirls. but they have packages for the intensive polish and final polish. is there really any difference between the super intensive polish and intensive polish; and the nano polish and final polish?





still need some new pads and backing plates. you guys think lake country pads are good enough? im not looking to cut cornors. so whatevers the best out theres what im looking for. im going to pickup a rotary tomorrow so thats already taken care of.
 
If you're using a PC, I would recommend getting some yellow and orange Lake Country pads since they're for cutting. Yellow is more aggresive than orange so keep that in mind.
 
It takes 4" pads to truly exploit the PC's corrective ability.



It takes a rotary to do serious correction in a timely manner on hard paint.



If I were starting from scratch with a rotary system, I'd go with the Edge setup and a variety of wool pads (plus foam for the final passes). And I'd keep the PC to use on holograms and for other gentle work (with those 4" pads ;) ).



Product? Eh...people do great work with Meg's, Optimum, Hi-TEmp, Menzerna, 1Z, 3M, you name it. All have their individual characteristics and it's hard to say what *you* will like best.
 
Accumulator said:
It takes 4" pads to truly exploit the PC's corrective ability.



It takes a rotary to do serious correction in a timely manner on hard paint.



If I were starting from scratch with a rotary system, I'd go with the Edge setup and a variety of wool pads (plus foam for the final passes). And I'd keep the PC to use on holograms and for other gentle work (with those 4" pads ;) ).



Product? Eh...people do great work with Meg's, Optimum, Hi-TEmp, Menzerna, 1Z, 3M, you name it. All have their individual characteristics and it's hard to say what *you* will like best.
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The man can say in 8 sentences what woulda taken me four pages, several tangents, and at least one rant. Once again, Accumulator nails it.:up
 
Accumulator said:
It takes 4" pads to truly exploit the PC's corrective ability.



It takes a rotary to do serious correction in a timely manner on hard paint.



If I were starting from scratch with a rotary system, I'd go with the Edge setup and a variety of wool pads (plus foam for the final passes). And I'd keep the PC to use on holograms and for other gentle work (with those 4" pads ;) ).



Product? Eh...people do great work with Meg's, Optimum, Hi-TEmp, Menzerna, 1Z, 3M, you name it. All have their individual characteristics and it's hard to say what *you* will like best.
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I just finished detailing my friends 57 Ford pickup yesterday (I will post picks later), and I can tell you that I strongly agree with the idea that you need a rotary to do serious correction in anything close to a timely manner. I also strongly agree with the idea that you need to use wool pads for the correction.



I've come to the conclusion that foam cutting pads on a rotary are a joke.
 
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