Has NXT Tech Wax been tweaked?

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Scottwax

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I've been on my second bottle for a while now and I seem to be getting better results with regards to slickness. I QEW washed and NXT-ed an Alero (by PC) back on May 14th and have QEW washed it 2-3 times since then (I regularly clean his boss's cars, they pay for his to be washed occassionally) and when I washed it today, a full 5 months since I applied NXT, not only was it beading (and according to the owner, beading this past weekend when it rained) but the paint still felt reasonably slick. Not like a fresh application obviously, but the towel still glided over the paint and even against bare skin the paint had slickness. The car also looks really good still. I hadn't even realized it was 5 months since I'd applied NXT until I looked it up when I got home.



Bear in mind, this car is no garage queen and it may get run through the gas station car wash once a month and every other month (on average), I QEW wash it. I have used no QD on it either. He also drives to Oklahoma twice a month. At work, he has covered parking and it is garaged at home. The owner admits he is lax about keeping it clean, other than shoveling out his kid's stuff every few weeks. Believe me, if you had seen the carpets and all the hand prints on the windows, you'd understand what I mean. ;)



I have a couple of other customer's cars who are at the 2-3 month point and I've noticed the same thing. It isn't that the first bottle was bad, no problems with 3 months of beading and good appearance but the slickness was gone in 3-4 weeks.



The only other change is that I started applying NXT by PC when I did the Alero. I don't see how that would have any effect on slickness or durability, only appearance.



Has anyone else noticed any variation between the first bottles that were out and new product? Could PC application make that much of a difference?
 
Im still on the first bottle i bought back in february, and the slickness doesnt last long at all, definately less than a month, cant comment on how long it beads as i reapply stuff too often. I hope this doesnt mean i have to buy another bottle :)
 
Interesting question Scott.



When I was younger, I worked for a multi-national corporation monitoring the recovery of direct production costs.



One thing I did learn very quickly was that even large experienced manufacturers do waste production due to quality control problems. Even a "good" batch of product really just tests between acceptable upper and lower testing limits. Even within the same corporation, different plants had different reputations for enforcing and achieving the required quality control standards.



It would not surprise me if NXT's formula had been quietly tweaked and changed for the better (I saw this happen with a very well known brand of adhesive), or if early production of NXT just suffered with quality control problems. We will probably never know, but it is something to bear in mind as we compare reviews of products and struggle to understand why one persons results differ so dramatically from another's.
 
I'll be on my first bottle for a while :)



A little goes a long way but my thoughts are Meguiar's wouldn't let you know about this. Call me crazy but it's probably a psychological thing in that if they buy the next bottle, better results, they praise the product even more. Not knocking, just throwin it out there.
 
Scott,

What are your thoughts about the QEW re-enforcement of protection with each wash? QEW does have some sort of wax in it.

Do you think that this may have skewed your results on durability and prolong beading?
 
In my entire life I never seen a product that had suck adversity like NXT.Some people love it and are happy with it and some people call it plain S--T.There are very few people in the middle its either one side or the other
 
Actually, if you are referring to my question to Scott, I think NXT is a fine OTC product with many positive features. It produces a great shine, has a positive cleaning ability that rejuveniates the shine with each application (mini prep with each application), swirl filling capability and is positively easy to work with. Durability has so many factors that there will always be differing results. I have NXT in my arsenal and use it from particular assignments.

NXT is basically a foolproof formulated that works great and should be heralded for such. :xyxthumbs



Maybe this forum has lost the ability to critically think and question post because for fear of rubbing someone the wrong way? Are we just here to cheer everything on or bash what isn't our choosen product? Or, I as I see this wonderful forum a place to exchange detailing experiences, ideas and thoughts? :nixweiss
 
Well, this is interesting. I got my bottle of NXT in the spring. After all the NXT bashing on here (I bought it before I found Autopia), I was convinced that it wasn't very durable. 8.5 weeks ago, I helped my friend wash, clay, and then with me on PC, and her with the Meg's cordless orbital, we went over the car with #81 hand polish, then applied NXT with the same method, waited about an hour, and put a second coat on. Considering here in NJ we are in acid rain/industrial fallout central, and had all that hurricane rain (her car is not garaged, but parking garage at work), the car still beads, and amazingly still feels slick. We have been using the NXT wash on it, probably 4 or 5 times since the wax, maybe one good QD.



This jives with Scottwax's results, and even Bill North's 8 week estimate, but differs from a lot of other people's. I had bought some other sealants to possibly use on her car for the winter, but now she wants to stick with the NXT.



Sorry if I took this off topic, which is really whether NXT has changed or works better applied by PC, but my presumably later (I prolly bought it in April or May) bottle appled by PC seems to be as good as Scottwax's experience.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Scott,

What are your thoughts about the QEW re-enforcement of protection with each wash? QEW does have some sort of wax in it.

Do you think that this may have skewed your results on durability and prolong beading?
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On my weekly wash customers, QEW may skew the results somewhat, but I don't regularly wash this one. In fact, I went through my records and this was only the 3rd time I've washed it in the 5 months since I applied NXT. He has probably run it through the gas station car wash about the same number of times. I wash his boss's vehicles at their office every 2 weeks and the Alero is almost always dirty.



The only two other variables I can think of other than the manufacture date and possibly either tweaked product or simply minor product differences due to the acceptable product blend are beginning to apply NXT with a PC when I did the Alero and that I didn't use anything underneath. He only wanted to pay for a one step. :nixweiss



I also got 5 months of beading and slickness with an AIO/NXT combo on a 6th gen single stage paint white Accord. :nixweiss
 
I can't comment on NXT specifically, but from what Mike Phillips has said/implied (and my understanding) on many comments in the Megs Online forum, Meguiars does improve (tweak) the chemistry of its products without announcing it. Again, this is what I've understood.



I would assume this is especially true during the early post-release stage when customer feedback/testing would be at its highest.



I would also assume that the changes would be minor, ie. altering ratios of current ingredients rather than introducing new ingredients.



At any rate, five months is awesome from an OTC wax!!





Just my tuppence worth. :D
 
I gave my girls accord 8 weeks on NXT and it was still slick and beading nicely. It wasn't as slick as day one but it was slick.



I'm currently hitting week 7 w/ Zaino on her car, good results, just doesn't give the car the bounce that NXT did.
 
I am not only talking about this fourm,i am talking about the 4-5 fourms that I follow.I am not BASHING the product NOT AT ALL .I am just saying that when it comes to NXT its either you love it or hate it there is no in between
 
ALAN81 said:
In my entire life I never seen a product that had suck adversity like NXT.Some people love it and are happy with it and some people call it plain S--T.There are very few people in the middle its either one side or the other
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I guess I'm one of those "few" in the middle. I think NXT is a pretty nice product.................. certainly not as good as some claim, nor as bad as some others make it out to be. :nixweiss For a "consumer" product, I think it is excellent. For a "professional" product, I think it lacks just a bit. When you consider that it was designed to be a "consumer" product, I guess Meguiar's did fine.



Also, if Meguiar's "tweaked" the forumula just a bit............ so much the better. I doubt that they would say anything, as the general public would never be able to detect the difference.
 
ALAN81 said:
I am not only talking about this fourm,i am talking about the 4-5 fourms that I follow.I am not BASHING the product NOT AT ALL .I am just saying that when it comes to NXT its either you love it or hate it there is no in between
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I find that to be true w/ a lot of products





The only thing I ever find that really knocks NXT is the longetivity issues, and even then most try to compare it to zaino which has unreal longetivity
 
I have been told by my Meguiars distributor that a 'professional' version of NXT is on the way, but he had no details about it. Just being able to buy it in a tan bottle instead of the fast & furious bottle it is in now would make me happy!
 
perry said:
This may give some insight :nixweiss
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:cool: If anything is rolling out then, I may be able to get a sample from my distributor a bit earlier.
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