Has Megs M100 and M101 replaced/obsoleted M105?

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Lonnie

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This is an extension of a post down below about Optimum's Hyper Compound and Meg's M105.


It seems that Meg's has come out with M100 (which I was not aware of until reading about it in the fore-to-mentioned post), which has apparently received some good reviews from prominent Autopian users.


 


I have M105, which in my opinion, works O.K., but seems to dust a lot. Maybe it's an early version or maybe it's my technique/methods. but I do not care for the dusting.


I realize that this compound is a SMAT (Super Micro Abrasive Technology) composition that starts out with larger abrasives that breakdown into smaller abrasives, giving both cut, correction, and finish all within the working time cycle.


 


Is M100 a better update of M105, or is it something to compliment M105? I've mentioned M101, which was introduced in Europe, and with such rave reviews by professional detailers and subsequent request, was made available to the United States. I am wondering how that fits in as well, considering it cost about twice as much as M100.


 


Any experience with and opinions of  M100 and M101 by fellow Autopians would be greatly appreciated.


 
 
Do the abrasives really "break down into smaller..."?  I can't say that I ever noticed that with M105, for me it just seems to dry out.
 
I believe you have the technology confused.  SMAT abrasives don't diminish.  DAT (Diminishing Abrasive technology) does that.  SMAT starts small, stays small and keeps cutting as long as the carrier stays active (doesn't dry) and your pad is clean..  105 does tend to dry.


 


A good discussion of these products: 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugl35QexkkQ


 
Lonnie said:
...I have M105, which in my opinion, works O.K., but seems to dust a lot. Maybe it's an early version or maybe it's my technique/methods. but I do not care for the dusting.


I realize that this compound is a SMAT (Super Micro Abrasive Technology) composition that starts out with larger abrasives that breakdown into smaller abrasives, giving both cut, correction, and finish all within the working time cycle...


 
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Jfelbab:


Thanks for posting the informative video discussion on the three Meguiar's compounds. It kind of explains the reasons behind the three "different" compounds and each one's specific application.


 


What was most interesting is how M101 was developed and how detailers have used it "outside the box" beyond its intended function. That's one of the great things about this Autopia forum and its members: they are willing to share their experiences and  help all of us get better results with new products and alternate techniques and methods.


 


Now, if they could only explain why M105 dusts so much or how to reduce the dusting, that would be great. I am sure someone will mention using the Kevin Brown Method (KBM) or maybe attending a Meguiar's NXT seminar for some personal training and hands-on experience.


 


Also, it sounds like the rotary machine is STILL the preferred method/machine for compounding. What needs to be remembered is that M101 and M100 were designed for body and paint shops, where speed (AKA, time is money) is still the underlying reason body shop personnel use rotaries and are very skilled at using them day-in-and-day-out.
 
I haven't had any real issues with M105 dusting, at least not like the old-school compounds used to do for me...maybe that's because (at least in part) because  don't work it all that long before buffing it off; I don't let it dry completely.


 


Scottwax- Any reason *besides cost* why you're going with M100 instead of M101?


 


JuneBug- Flip-side question; why are you going with M101 instead of M100?
 
M100 flat works and talking it over with my Meguiars rep at Wash Solutions in Dallas (always have to give a shout out to Barry!), it does 95% of what M101 does at less than half the price. 
 
Scottwax said:
M100 flat works and talking it over with my Meguiars rep at Wash Solutions in Dallas (always have to give a shout out to Barry!), it does 95% of what M101 does at less than half the price.
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Scottwax said:
M100 flat works and talking it over with my Meguiars rep at Wash Solutions in Dallas (always have to give a shout out to Barry!), it does 95% of what M101 does at less than half the price.
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Well, what Scott said, I will be getting 100 next time If I buy anymore Meg's, but 3D has really replaced most of my polishes now.
 
OK, if M100 does "95% of what M101 does", what's the other 5% that I'd be leaving on the table?


 


Wish I could buy just a few ounces of something like these for spot-corrections, buying a pint, or a quart, let alone a gallon of such stuff is a big waste for me.


 


Peachstate Detail LLC- Heh heh, if you like M205 so much I oughta try to sell you mine!  That's another product where I have nearly a gallon just sitting here waiting to go bad..
 
Junebug:


Are the 3D compounds and polishes "better" than Meg's, and if so, in what ways, in your opinion?


It seems like that is an eternal question within this part of the forum: what is the best compound and polish currently available?


Is it a price/cost versus performance issue (IE, value) or is it strictly an end-result versus time issue (IE, efficiency)?


 


Accumulator:


If you do not like M205 polish because of its trade-secret oils (TSOs) that have given you problems in the past (my experience as well, as we've had this discussion in other posts throughout this forum), what do you recommend for your current polish and why? Personally I'm OK with M205, but I now have to use  some preparation-solvent to remove them, based on other Autopians' suggestions, rather than isopropyl alcohol (IPA) which may not work completely to remove the TSOs. That part I do no like, as it's a time-consuming step and added cost I'd rather avoid (O.K.Captain Obvious!), but a necessary evil with M205.
 
Lonnie- I'm all about the HD Polish these days, it's even replaced my beloved 1Z High-Gloss.  I resisted the HD for sooo long for, uhm....various reasons, but once I tried it, well, talk about Captain Obvious!  I have absolutely zero criticisms of it; it's the perfect Finishing Polish for me and I recommend it without reservation.  The finish it leaves, the user-friendliness of it in general, the minimal "stuff to clean away", everything about it-  it really is *that* good IMO.


 


Their Cut compound doesn't, well...cut...the way I'd like, but I'm told that it's very pad-dependent and I don't want to buy new pads.
 
Accumulator said:
Lonnie- I'm all about the HD Polish these days, it's even replaced my beloved 1Z High-Gloss.  I resisted the HD for sooo long for, uhm....various reasons, but once I tried it, well, talk about Captain Obvious!  I have absolutely zero criticisms of it; it's the perfect Finishing Polish for me and I recommend it without reservation.  The finish it leaves, the user-friendliness of it in general, the minimal "stuff to clean away", everything about it-  it really is *that* good IMO.


 


 
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A big +1 for me on this as well
 
I think just about any polish/compound will work - just like an old highschool teacher of mine once said about bricklaying - your mammy could lay brick, but she ain't a bricklayer - why? Well, what makes a bricklayer is speed.


So, when you find a polish that works good and quick, not finicky and very forgiving, then you use it, you get compfortable with it and you spend enough time with it to learn how to get the most out of it. Then you're working smarter, not harder and can either do more cars in a day or just raise your price so you're making the same per job for less hours. I'm in the process of UN-accumulating, bottles of this polish and that compoud will be sold or traded for something I use all the time. I am way past searching for the holy grail - the "perfect" product. I'm through with jumping on the flavour of the month too. I can tell you more products that just sucked (IMHO) ok than ones that impressed me, I'd probably cause a sh!t storm if I named names so DON"T ask ok. Quick story - there was a guy on here once (Brandon1) and he was a friend of mine, we had many disagreements on products - it's all about personal preference and your style of detailing.


I know some guys are quick to diss a product - me? I'm more about asking other detailers I trust how they use it and the right techniques. But, even after that and some changing of the variables like pads, buffing technique, etc I still don't like it - then sorry ol buddy, you are destined to be either traded, sold or my daughter's next target on the range. As far as Meg's goes, I really like 101, D300 and the stuff at wally mart - Megs Ult Compound (which smells like D300 minus the pepto bismal color). But 3D Cut and Adapt are excellant too and I tend to get the same results with less effort and product too with them.


As always, YMMV


and George - check ADS for their samples program.
 
Accumulator:


Thanks for the opinion. I may need to get on board and try the HD compounds and polishes. My reason for liking and using Meg's products is that they are available OTC. But if there is something better and I really want to step up my detailing game, then it's time to go to the e-stores for these products.


 


Junebug:


Funny you mention Meg's Ultimate Compound. I've tried it and think its kinda between M105 and M205. It doesn't have the cut of M105, but it doesn't dust either. It doesn't finish out either like M105, like it would if you worked M105 long enough with "softer" pad. It's almost like an aggressive M205. But then again, it IS a compound.  And it's inexpensive and available OTC at Wally-World, which is a plus in my book. Wonder if you could mix Ultimate Compound and M105?? Would it be Ultimate 105? Hummm....time for an experiment!
 
how does 205 even come into play here?  worst finishing polish I have ever used...


 


100 is my go-to compound for 90% of the paint conditions I deal with


 


105 cuts more faster, but the dust and massive micro-marring is a PITA to deal with.  However, 105 and surbuf, that's like sanding on some paints and make quick removal of softer defects (sometimes more than necessary)
 
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