3Dog
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Caraman said:
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Griot's Polisher First Impression
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Setec Astronomy
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Well...the verdict is in over on MOL! The Griot's polisher gets the :down . Hmmm...I'll wait for an Autopian review before I come to any final conclusions...
SpoiledMan
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Yeah, just like I don't let one positive review send me shopping, one negative one wouldn't stop me if I was interested. I'd wait for one or two more.
SpoiledMan
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SpoiledMan said:
First post of this thread Scott. :laugh:
Scottwax said:
here you go scott, this quote is from joe at superior shine...
The verdict is in! I prefer the PC / G100 !
I like how tight and smooth the Griots machine is but it isn’t aggressive enough for me.
Today we detailed a badly swirled black Toyota. I tried both machines out real good side by side.
The PC cuts much faster and is more aggressive. I used the PC to remove swirls from one half of the hood then used the Griots machine on the other half. I played with speeds and amount of product used and pressure applied.
After four applications using the same product and pad I used on the PC, I realized that the girots machine isn’t aggressive enough to bring out the swirls.
I went back and forth from the girots machine and back to the PC and I would go with the PC for sure.
The griots machine works well if your car is in pristine condition.
I am going to keep the girots machine to use with my Mirka sanding pads which work really well with it.
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Setec Astronomy
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Scott, the link is in the first post of this thread.
SpoiledMan
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Using the PC and Cyclo back to back the other day let me know that I have little love for it anymore. I'm debating selling it off. The Cyclo does as much/more without having to endure the irritating vibration!
Setec Astronomy
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Scott, I would wait until all districts report in before you write off that Griot's polisher, although the fact that it doesn't take PC-style backing plates bothers me a bit.
Accumulator
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While I'm not in favor of letting one review be the deciding factor either, when Superior Shine says the PC cuts better, well, that speaks volumes. There's no denying that he knows what he's talking about and if a *PC* cuts better then the Griot's must be one mighty wimpy machine even if it doesn't bog down under pressure. It's not like the PC is an aggressive polisher by any means.
SpoiledMan- I wouldn't ditch the PC just yet, I still have to use it instead of the Cyclo now and then. There are places the Cyclo just won't access due to its design.
SpoiledMan- I wouldn't ditch the PC just yet, I still have to use it instead of the Cyclo now and then. There are places the Cyclo just won't access due to its design.
Interesting, thinking it through you'd think that there should be almost no difference. Aggressiveness should be as much a function of pad and product as it is of oscillation; a smaller oscillation should be offset by a higher frequency of oscillation.
If the oscillation is smaller with a similar frequency, then the difference in work produced should be linear. At the same speed, a 50% difference in size of orbit should mean that a job would take twice as long. But at twice the speed, it should take the same time. The job is moving product over surface over time, nothing more.
What is the frequency of oscillation of the PC at speeds 1-6?
Tom
If the oscillation is smaller with a similar frequency, then the difference in work produced should be linear. At the same speed, a 50% difference in size of orbit should mean that a job would take twice as long. But at twice the speed, it should take the same time. The job is moving product over surface over time, nothing more.
What is the frequency of oscillation of the PC at speeds 1-6?
Tom
wannafbody
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that's why I suggested the Rigid RO sander-1/4 inch and 1/8 orbit-larger orbit for cutting and smaller orbit for applying sealants. 10,000 rpm is faster than a PC as well
Mosca said:
The specifications listed in the owners manual claim 4000 - 7000 OPM, but there is no breakdown by speed. After a 15 minute stint with the Griot's RO set to the highest speed, a LC white polishing pad and OP, I had no trouble removing *minor* swirls from the hood of my '03 Dodge Caravan company vehicle. Using the PC, I'm most successful polishing an area at the rate of an inch per second to achieve the same results. As a bonus, the Griot's polisher produces much less vibration than the PC and has a very useable handle. IMHO, this new RO occupies a solid middle ground between the PC and a rotary.
José
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Accumulator said:
Well, Joe hates the Cyclo and *I* love it. It could be easy for us to have differing opinions on this one as well.
The vibration is irritating and uncomfortable for me at best. I found myself doing a lot of swearing(to myself) after using if just a few minutes. :furious: I even have an interested party.
Scottwax said:
Does the Griots one have forced rotating action like I understand the PC has? That would make a big difference. Most ROs don't force the rotation in addition to the orbital action. Also regarding the orbital speed, remember the PC has a "longer" orbital action than most ROs, so while it might do fewer orbits, the actual orbital speed could still be faster.
wannafbody said:
I'm not familiar with the tool; is it electric or pneumatic? And I'd assume that it is UP TO 10000 rpm? Wouldn't one speed be harder to adapt to different jobs?
Sounds interesting.
My problem with the PC's comfort isn't until I go to bed and my hands fall asleep and start hurting.
Tom
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SpoiledMan said:
Yeah, I'm sorta assuming (and you know what that can lead to
) that he's being completely objective and only comparing the actual, functional differences (and thus leaving opinion/subjective criteria out of it). He sure makes it sound like a dramatic difference in performance.Caraman- Are you saying that the Griot's cuts *better/faster/etc.* compared to the PC? That would make it one vote for one, one for the other, which would at least make this discussion more intriguing
Your description of it is similar to what some of us have said about the Cyclo.Mosca- Yeah, I suspect we're overlooking something, some additional factor (and not just some user-related variable) that has a huge impact in the performance of these things
I find it an interesting puzzle but, heh heh, at the end of the day I don't mind taking a black-box approach to this stuff as long as the black-box gives the results I'm after And yeah#2, the frequency of oscillation isn't mentioned in any of the product literature I have either.velobard- No forced rotation on the PC; the backing plate spins freely and will stop doing so with the application of pressure. That's the "bogging down"/"merely jiggling" that people gripe about. Ditto for the free-spinning heads on the Cyclo, although it doesn't seem to impact its performance as much as with the PC.
Accumulator said:
OK then, I was just going by what I interpreted other folks as saying in another thread awhile back. As I recall, they said the difference between a DA (the PC) and a RO was that the PC had a forced rotation. I don't have one yet, just my old Bosch RO. The bit about the longer RO action should still have an effect though. I can't recall the #'s for sure, but it seems like someone said the PC had something like 8-10 mm orbits and a typical RO was more like 5-6 mm.