Giving zaino a chance...

beau said:
You fail to see how I can tell somebody that other products accomplish the same thing. I stand behind this statement. If there is one thing I've learned on this board, it's the ability of the detailer, and not the products, that produces the best shine.



Is there a single product that towers head and shoulders above every other product in that category? No. As long as it's a quality product, the only differences are mostly subtle at best and open to conjecture.



Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.
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The question isn't about whether or not another person could do better, it's about whether or not "sportgemmo" should try Zaino products.
 
To the OP: It's your money, go with what you want. I have minimal experience with Zaino, but what I've used, I've really liked. Z16 is the best looking tire dressing going, IMHO. I have my Zaino list...I just need to pull the trigger and buy it.
 
beau said:
You don't need to use an item to know how expensive it is, or how hyped up it is. The definition of "hype" is "exaggerated publicity; hoopla". I think any subjective person would agree there is a lot of hype surrounding Zaino. So I don't need experience with the product to know price, or how often it has been heralded during my 9 years on this message board (yes, 9 years, we had to re-register when they changed bulletin board software).



You fail to see how I can tell somebody that other products accomplish the same thing. I stand behind this statement. If there is one thing I've learned on this board, it's the ability of the detailer, and not the products, that produces the best shine.



Is there a single product that towers head and shoulders above every other product in that category? No. As long as it's a quality product, the only differences are mostly subtle at best and open to conjecture.



Give Scottwax or ACCUMULATOR all Turtle Wax products, and a neophyte all Zaino, Which car would you bet would look better? If you say the Turtle Wax car, then you agree with my original comment.
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You could make the argument that Zymol at $175 is expensive, but the product we are discussing is less than $20. What Scottwax can do with a car is about 00.10 percent of the detailing population. 90% or more who buy Zaino or any other wax/sealant for that matter, are just average joes who work for a living and like a clean car.. That argument simply doesn't hold any water. Thats like saying look what LeBron James can do with a basketball. Well, thats the rare minority, most people will never reach that level. We are talking about the average joe shooting baskets in his driveway.Does the poster indicate anywhere hes a pro and looking for advice? ... No ...I don't go around giving people advice about products I have never used, I'm not qualified, I don't care what I've read on the internet. To me its just a prostitution of Autopia to go out and give advice to a guy about product X when you are basing an opinion on what you have read on a detailing forum and have not used the product at all.
 
Interestingly enough everybody I have ever spoke to who doesn't like Zaino ALWAYS tells me they cannot stand Zaino Zeolets. Fair enough and I understand that mentaility, but I have rarely (and I have spoken to many) heard somebody who had a complaint about the products themselves.



There is a reason why most top sealant manufacturers target Zaino as the benchmark and that is because the sealant line is top quality. I don't think it is fair to compare its performance to others if you have never used it, and if you are turned off by the zeolatry (I don't blame you) that is fine, but don't let emotions interfare with logical judgement.



IME, Zaino is the longest lasting sealant out there and all of the sealant line (Z2,Z5,Z6,Z7,Z8) is top notch. The look it produces is extremely shiney/glossy and unique and may not be for everybody. My main draw back with Zaino is that it doesn't like to be topped with carnauba and that it may not be the best choice for certain colors or situations (personal opinion and judgement dependent).
 
Cleaning Fool said:
You could make the argument that Zymol at $175 is expensive, but the product we are discussing is less than $20. What Scottwax can do with a car is about 00.10 percent of the detailing population. 90% or more who buy Zaino or any other wax/sealant for that matter, are just average joes who work for a living and like a clean car.. That argument simply doesn't hold any water. Thats like saying look what LeBron James can do with a basketball. Well, thats the rare minority, most people will never reach that level. We are talking about the average joe shooting baskets in his driveway.Does the poster indicate anywhere hes a pro and looking for advice? ... No ...I don't go around giving people advice about products I have never used, I'm not qualified, I don't care what I've read on the internet. To me its just a prostitution of Autopia to go out and give advice to a guy about product X when you are basing an opinion on what you have read on a detailing forum and have not used the product at all.
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Beautiful post...:clap:
 
TH0001 said:
Interestingly enough everybody I have ever spoke to who doesn't like Zaino ALWAYS tells me they cannot stand Zaino Zeolets. Fair enough and I understand that mentaility, but I have rarely (and I have spoken to many) heard somebody who had a complaint about the products themselves.



There is a reason why most top sealant manufacturers target Zaino as the benchmark and that is because the sealant line is top quality. I don't think it is fair to compare its performance to others if you have never used it, and if you are turned off by the zeolatry (I don't blame you) that is fine, but don't let emotions interfare with logical judgement.



IME, Zaino is the longest lasting sealant out there and all of the sealant line (Z2,Z5,Z6,Z7,Z8) is top notch. The look it produces is extremely shiney/glossy and unique and may not be for everybody. My main draw back with Zaino is that it doesn't like to be topped with carnauba and that it may not be the best choice for certain colors or situations (personal opinion and judgement dependent).
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FWIW, I agree entirely. I don't use Zaino much, because I tend to lean more toward waxes (just personal preference); but of the sealants I've used (most of them), zaino performs very well and very consistently. I always get good durability out of it, it looks excellent, and is extremely easy to use.



I think a lot of the zealotry has to do with the way the product was originally marketed (which I think was pretty clever); but that doesn't change the fact that it is a good product.



When/if I use a sealant on a car it's almost always Werkstatt Acrylic Jett or Zaino Z5pro.
 
TH0001 said:
Interestingly enough everybody I have ever spoke to who doesn't like Zaino ALWAYS tells me they cannot stand Zaino Zeolets. Fair enough and I understand that mentaility, but I have rarely (and I have spoken to many) heard somebody who had a complaint about the products themselves.



SNIP



IME, Zaino is the longest lasting sealant out there and all of the sealant line (Z2,Z5,Z6,Z7,Z8) is top notch. The look it produces is extremely shiney/glossy and unique and may not be for everybody. My main draw back with Zaino is that it doesn't like to be topped with carnauba and that it may not be the best choice for certain colors or situations (personal opinion and judgement dependent).
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I used Zaino for years, till I noticed a pattern. The shine is definately there, as is the water beading. For me, the protection was not. I was constantly getting water spots if I didn't do regular Z6 applications after every wash. On two cars that I let go for a few months, I got deep etching. I have since moved over to #21 and/or Collinite and have not had any water spotting issues even after leaving one car alone for a year.



Nothing beats the Zaino shine, I like it, some call it a bit tacky, but whatever, I do miss that, I don't miss dealing with water spots.
 
yakky said:
I used Zaino for years



For me, the protection was not. I was constantly getting water spots if I didn't do regular Z6 applications after every wash. On two cars that I let go for a few months, I got deep etching.



I don't miss dealing with water spots.
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Along a similar vein is Zaino good or bad wrt to bird bomb etching?
 
Cleaning Fool said:
prostitution of Autopia.
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Im starting to love this forum!!! :chuckle:



I think everyone here has its own point of view, and all of them are valid. As i said, i've been using most of the zymol products availabe. They are great, especially for my toy which only has 11K since 2001... I barely use it, and is in pristine condition so i will keep on using zymol



however, the MB E320 (daily car) need some more powerful stuff. As rwisejr said, that Mercedes ceramiclear is something special. HD-Cleanse doesnt work at all... that's when i decided to try something new. Zaino looks like a good option, not that cheap but not that expensive to deny it a try.



I will post some pics when i get the car done. Right now im on a trip and im planning to work on the car at the beginning of December. Thanks for all the input, and keep giving me tips!



Bis bald!
 
The only time I had an issue with Zaino - it was my fault. I had used Menzerna 106 and didn't do a good wipe down with alcohol. It looked good for about 2 weeks then there was NO shine or beading. I've since learned that proper Zaino prep is essential for durability. If you're going to try it, get ZAIO and let that be your base to add Z2 or Z5.
 
TH0001 said:
Interestingly enough everybody I have ever spoke to who doesn't like Zaino ALWAYS tells me they cannot stand Zaino Zeolets. Fair enough and I understand that mentaility, but I have rarely (and I have spoken to many) heard somebody who had a complaint about the products themselves.



There is a reason why most top sealant manufacturers target Zaino as the benchmark and that is because the sealant line is top quality. I don't think it is fair to compare its performance to others if you have never used it, and if you are turned off by the zeolatry (I don't blame you) that is fine, but don't let emotions interfare with logical judgement.



IME, Zaino is the longest lasting sealant out there and all of the sealant line (Z2,Z5,Z6,Z7,Z8) is top notch. The look it produces is extremely shiney/glossy and unique and may not be for everybody. My main draw back with Zaino is that it doesn't like to be topped with carnauba and that it may not be the best choice for certain colors or situations (personal opinion and judgement dependent).
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You spelled zealots wrong...*******. :P I kid I kid. I do agree wholeheartedly with your statement tho. I despise the Zaino Zealots as much as anyone. But that doesnt mean Im going to ignore the products. Zaino is the most durable sealant Ive used, and 2nd best durability overall, next to 476s. All Zaino products are easy to use and in the grand scheme of detailing, the sealants/paint products really are not that expensive considering the durability(compare the price of Z5 to Natty's blue, for example...or a low end Zymol/Swissvax. Only the cheapest of waxes are as cheap as a bottle of Z2.



There are 3 downsides to Zaino paint products, imo.

They dont protect in the winter as long as 476s. 2 coats of Z5 lasted about 3 weeks short of 2 coats of 476s. 476s is still my goto for winter salt/grime protection. This brings me to my 2nd problem with Zaino. Waxes dont seem to bond well with Z. In a perfect world, Id have 476s over Z for winter protection.

And lastly, certain colors in certain lighting conditions, Z can look plasticky, almost candy-coating like. Ive had a few customers comment, some have liked it, others havent.





Remember, there are as many anti-Z zealots as there are Z zealots. Neither opinions really matter....
 
wannafbody said:
It seems to me as if Zaino traps less dirt and salt residue than collinite 845 during the winter months:nixweiss
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Honestly, I wasn't impressed at all with 845. The look is too bright and durability wasn't nearly as good as I was expecting. I'd take Z5 over it any day.
 
I think the old Zaino was prone to water spotting for sure, used to bug the heck out of me. Their new stuff is way better at repelling water spots. It's like night and day. CS. Z2pro, Z5pro and even ZAIO by itself are all excellent at keeping water spots from etching. It seam's to me all their new stuff is a "thicker" coat then the old stuff. No matter what, Zaino is definitely one of about 5 or 6 lineups that every one should try in my opinion.
 
Yeah, I like 845 on exterior plastic and as a base for 476S, but by itself it doesn't impress me all that much. Seems a lot more durable with multiple applications/layers though.



Q for people using Zaino: how many layers do you use for good durability and protection?



I ask because I know a lot of people really layer on the Z but others probably don't. I can get near-indefinite durabilityand protection with many layers of KSG (as much so as I'd ever require) but with just a few layers the durability/protection isn't nearly as good as I get with 476S.
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, I like 845 on exterior plastic and as a base for 476S, but by itself it doesn't impress me all that much. Seems a lot more durable with multiple applications/layers though.



Q for people using Zaino: how many layers do you use for good durability and protection?



I ask because I know a lot of people really layer on the Z but others probably don't. I can get near-indefinite durabilityand protection with many layers of KSG (as much so as I'd ever require) but with just a few layers the durability/protection isn't nearly as good as I get with 476S.
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After polishing a vehicle, I'll do a wipedown to remove oils. Then, I'll apply a coat of ZAIO and remove. This makes a good base for Z2 or Z5. Then, I'll mix up some ZFXd Z2 or Z5 in the little bottle, and will then top the ZAIO with 2 layers of the mixture. Most of the time, I'll do Z6 wipedowns in between, but not always.



Additionally, sometimes I mix a 50/50 mixture of Z2 and Z5 in the bottle, add in the ZFX, and will add a squirt of Z8, shake this all up, and apply.
 
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