Gary Dean?

Last I recall he had changed up to content on a website instead of You Tube. You had to join the website to watch his videos (free). I joined, but it either assigned you a user name or PW (you couldn't pick it) - I have long since forgot it.

IMHO, this may have been a mis-step. You Tube is the way to go with this stuff.

Full disclaimer - I always liked GD. Don't know him, never met him.
 
GD is a great guy. I got to meet him last week. I went in to check on some paint correction work on my truck, he talked me out of it for now, he felt the truck wasn't really in need of it yet. So I had him clay the truck and seal it. Ended up BSing with him for a couple hours, really learned a lot, the truck looks amazing. He now has a FB group and a for pay training video site, and of coarse his products.

 
When I joined it was brand new and free. I don't think he will get many people to join for $99. Just my opinion.
 
IMHO different. Your training can be accomplished via classroom which transfers very nicely via video. Detailing requires a lot of physical training like pressure and nuance not easily transferred to the trainee via video. Its like learning marshal arts on you tube. Not so effective as compared to real life training. But advanced painting, a video OK you might be able to further your skill.

Again Just MY Humble opinion having tried to learn on the net and failed, until I got some hands on training.

Hrolfr said:
Which if you are a detailer and need training is not a bad deal, I work in IT and I spend $1,000 a year on training videos.
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EXPDetailing said:
I saw a video where he recommended the HF da over a Rupes 15. What's going on there?
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I had emailed him to ask about polishers at one point and he told me emphatically to buy a HF DA over a Rupes, Flex or PC. What a load of BS. He's the only "famous" detailer I don't get a good vibe from. Everybody from Larry at AMMO NYC to Kevin Brown to Mike Phillips are very helpful and don't ask anything in return...this guy is all about self promotion and nothing more.
 
Was checking out his products page. Got to admit, some interesting products. The beyond infinity spray sealant looked interesting.
 
Good Products. Higher prices. But like a lot of things in life...you get what you pay for. I feel his IUDJ is the best Rinseless Wash out there. Hands down. Not cheap, but it's dilution ratio is better than most rinseless washes as well. What I don't like is how he jacks up prices on products he only resells. For example, I'm sure his wash mitts and towels are The Rag Co items...at almost triple the price. I get making a profit...but c'mon. You're taking it in on your polishes and IUDJ.

I don't KNOW him, but have followed all his videos and RawDetail when it was free, but now I just reorder IUDJ when it's time.
 
Fotomatt1 said:
I had emailed him to ask about polishers at one point and he told me emphatically to buy a HF DA over a Rupes, Flex or PC. What a load of BS. He's the only "famous" detailer I don't get a good vibe from. Everybody from Larry at AMMO NYC to Kevin Brown to Mike Phillips are very helpful and don't ask anything in return...this guy is all about self promotion and nothing more.
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Perhaps he was trying to help you by advising you to buy an inexpensive Random Orbital that can still do a really good job vs paying a lot more for a state of the art machine that you may not need for the scope of work you are wanting to accomplish?

A professional Detailer who does this every day for a living, would perhaps want the best of the best and can maybe justify the cost..

But a casual user who say, only does his car/s and family's vehicles, doesn't really need to see the clarity of the paint in the high 90%, etc., may be perfectly happy to see the level of improvement (after learning how to use the machine), as really great for his needs now and in the future, with a less expensive Random Orbital..

Everyone has to remember that despite all the stuff on the Internet by zillions of people telling you just try this, try that, look at how easy it is, etc., they are not, repeat, not, talking much about the bazillion variables that come into play on any vehicle's paint, the product used, the way it is used, the type of foam or microfiber used, the way they are used, how you use the machine, how much speed and pressure you put on it, how long you work the product into the paint, how much rotation is needed to break down the product and correct and polish the paint, how many times do you keep repeating the process until you get the clarity you want, and on and on..

Here is where as has been already stated above, a school may be able to help you with hands-on training and supervision (at probably a big $$$ expense), but one will still need to take the learning experience and now use a lot of Innovation, patience, time, and practice to be able to learn even more, and get better at this..

It will never be - for this paint, do exactly this, this many passes, these directions, this amount of pressure, rotation, and you will make it perfect...

Every Detailer who does this for a living knows that when you get to the paint correction part, you rely on your past experiences and knowledge of what worked last (if you have this), and start there but will be constantly adjusting everything to fit the scope of work for this paintwork now.. Maybe it will be easy, easier than the last one, or perhaps it will be nothing like the last one that had this same year, paint, etc...

I dont know Garry, have never talked or texted him, last I saw of him, I think it was about 10 years ago on a couple of Forums back from this one..
Would have to guess that he was trying to help you and save you some big $$ if possible by advising you on a machine that can do the work at a lower price point for you..

Dan F
 
I've done business with Garry and IME he's a 100% stand-up guy. Period. Note that I sure don't say things like that lightly.

No, he and I don't agre about everything and yeah I can understand if somebody thinks his videos and/or self-promotion are cheesey. But I will absolutely continue to do business with him and also *recommend* that others consider his products.

I'm not a big fan of rinseless washing, but I do like IUDJ, so much so that it's rapidly replacing my QDs. The Beyond Infinity Sealant is OK, no complaints and so far it's always been Accumulator-proof. I'd rather buy his new Juice Boost (!!pricey stuff!!) instead now that he has that available.

Specific comment regarding his Garry Dean Wash Method- No, he's not the only person to use rinseless washes in that sort of manner, but I *will* give him props for, uhm....codifying the approach. Sorta like with Kevin Brown and his KBM with M105/M205. If somebody wants to put their personal stamp on [whatever] that somebody *else* thinks is intuitively obvious it's no skin off my nose. Ditto for charging for advice. Eh, I just can't get any more negative about such stuff than "gee, who cares?" and when the people coming under fire have been OK towards me, I figure the least I can do is offer a little support.
 
Stokdgs said:
Perhaps he was trying to help you by advising you to buy an inexpensive Random Orbital that can still do a really good job vs paying a lot more for a state of the art machine that you may not need for the scope of work you are wanting to accomplish?

A professional Detailer who does this every day for a living, would perhaps want the best of the best and can maybe justify the cost..

But a casual user who say, only does his car/s and family's vehicles, doesn't really need to see the clarity of the paint in the high 90%, etc., may be perfectly happy to see the level of improvement (after learning how to use the machine), as really great for his needs now and in the future, with a less expensive Random Orbital..

Everyone has to remember that despite all the stuff on the Internet by zillions of people telling you just try this, try that, look at how easy it is, etc., they are not, repeat, not, talking much about the bazillion variables that come into play on any vehicle's paint, the product used, the way it is used, the type of foam or microfiber used, the way they are used, how you use the machine, how much speed and pressure you put on it, how long you work the product into the paint, how much rotation is needed to break down the product and correct and polish the paint, how many times do you keep repeating the process until you get the clarity you want, and on and on..

Here is where as has been already stated above, a school may be able to help you with hands-on training and supervision (at probably a big $$$ expense), but one will still need to take the learning experience and now use a lot of Innovation, patience, time, and practice to be able to learn even more, and get better at this..

It will never be - for this paint, do exactly this, this many passes, these directions, this amount of pressure, rotation, and you will make it perfect...

Every Detailer who does this for a living knows that when you get to the paint correction part, you rely on your past experiences and knowledge of what worked last (if you have this), and start there but will be constantly adjusting everything to fit the scope of work for this paintwork now.. Maybe it will be easy, easier than the last one, or perhaps it will be nothing like the last one that had this same year, paint, etc...

I dont know Garry, have never talked or texted him, last I saw of him, I think it was about 10 years ago on a couple of Forums back from this one..
Would have to guess that he was trying to help you and save you some big $$ if possible by advising you on a machine that can do the work at a lower price point for you..

Dan F
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+1 there

I fail to see recommending the cheapest tool that will still do the job well as a bad advice. I know lots of people feel disappointed with their rupes because they dont know how to use it on curves.
 
Also, I just watched one of his videos and he said that rawdetailtv will be for people looking to start a business or for business owners and he will begin putting free content and how to videos back on YouTube.
 
JSFM35X said:
IMHO different. Your training can be accomplished via classroom which transfers very nicely via video. Detailing requires a lot of physical training like pressure and nuance not easily transferred to the trainee via video. Its like learning marshal arts on you tube. Not so effective as compared to real life training. But advanced painting, a video OK you might be able to further your skill.

Again Just MY Humble opinion having tried to learn on the net and failed, until I got some hands on training.
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To a point yes, as far at It training transferring, however when you get into Routers and Firewalls as well as network cabling. You need hands on, lots of things happen at the physical layer that you have to have your hands on the equipment. For the detailing, you can learn a lot of theory and basic ideas from a video IMHO, no you cannot learn exactly how much pressure to use, but that comes from time in grade, much like anything beyond some of the basic with IT. The CBT training I pay for points me in the right direction then it is off to the lab so to speak with my equipment.
 
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