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This is a reply I received from Menzerna USA about FMJ



Hi Ron,



Thank you for your message.



To answer your questions, FMJ is a sealant. Waxes are classified as natural products, like carnauba, and do seal a surface, but in a different way and with different results. We believe FMJ is superior to wax.



FMJ will bond over our glaze, and is designed to work together. You can

find this stated on CMA's website:



http://www.properautocare.com/mefitogl.html



I hope this answers your questions, and thank you for using our

products.



Best regards,



Jeff Silver

Menzerna USA

213 Airport Executive Park

Nanuet, New York 10954

Phone: 845-352-5850

Fax: 845-425-1366



Dear Sir:



Please tell me if the product Full Molecular Jacket is a sealant or wax?

Also can the Full Molecular Jacket be applied over the Menzerna glaze and bond without problems?



Thanks,



Ron Bowen



:bounce :bounce :bounce
 
I emailed Jeff a couple of weeks ago asking some information about Menzerna products and his only answer was 'advise from where you bought your products' :down After all I was asking about the products he represents :down :down
 
jgv, maybe Jeff thought since you are in another country, you should contact your your supplier in your country if possible.
 
Yeah, maybe he did, and that's what I didn't like from him. After all, he benefits from my *free* publicity on the Menzerna products, on USA forums like Autopia. I've been asked a lot of times about my opinion on these products, and if my opinion helps people to buy them he is taking advantage on it.



If I asked him is because I couldn't get the answers I wanted here, but as he couldn't reply my questions, guess he doesn't have the answers either... :down Again, about the products he sells.



If he took his time to send me elsewhere, he could have answered what I asked and now I'd be here, saying how great he was...Or not. :down
 
Is FMJ able to bond over almost anything, like a carnauba wax? Or does it do better with a Menzerna product underneath or even bare paint?
 
The reason Jeff said that is because Menzerna does't techincally make FMJ, but licenses the makers to use their name to be sold in a kit at CMA. I've spoke with Jeff before, he actually invited me to his shop and gave me some free samples.

If your going to use the sealant / wax combo, lay the sealant first then the carnuba.
 
JustinTRW said:
Is FMJ able to bond over almost anything, like a carnauba wax? Or does it do better with a Menzerna product underneath or even bare paint?
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I have a hard time believing that it can bond to glazes. I wonder what kind of durability people who use FTG underneath are getting?



It just doesn't make sense. Unless it's not really bonding to anything ala WG 'sealant' :rolleyes: .



I have this stuff on order as well and will be testing it hopefully this coming wekend.



Bill.
 
L33 said:
The reason Jeff said that is because Menzerna does't techincally make FMJ, but licenses the makers to use their name to be sold in a kit at CMA. I've spoke with Jeff before, he actually invited me to his shop and gave me some free samples.

If your going to use the sealant / wax combo, lay the sealant first then the carnuba.
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So, would it stand to reason that FMJ is yet another frayed thread in the CMA group? BF, UPP, WG and now FMJ? It could be that you could get it cheaper in a different bottle. Im sure Im just mistaken. These would have to be completely different products. Any relationship or similarity would have to be purely coincidental.
 
JustinTRW said:
Maybe, maybe not. The same chemist could be making these products. From a casual glance, they are all very similar, no?
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To me WG amd FMJ aren't even close in any aspect.
 
BillNorth said:




It just doesn't make sense. Unless it's not really bonding to anything ala WG 'sealant' :rolleyes: .





Bill.
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What's your opinion on WG? I'm curious, ever since you brought up the old klasse bonding thread, about water and other variables. You can PM me if you don't want to take this thread off track with my question. :)
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
What's your opinion on WG? I'm curious, ever since you brought up the old klasse bonding thread, about water and other variables. You can PM me if you don't want to take this thread off track with my question. :)
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The durability of the sealant is lacking. I only got 7 weeks. The look is nice on my green paint. It is more muted, not as bright as SG. The slickness does not last very long as well.



To read my full review, click here:



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40349&highlight=my+wolfgang+review
 
Jesstzn said:
To me WG amd FMJ aren't even close in any aspect.
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What about UPP, Blackfire, and FMJ?

I was thinking that they are polymer, oil in water type emmulsion products. Probably similar type of polymers with similar goals. Very slick, but slickness may not last after a few washes, even though protection stays. Sheets water.



FMJ is supposed to last the longest, but we'll see. Never tried WG, but is it similar to UPP and Blackfire?
 
BillNorth said:
I have a feeling that UPP, BF, and WG are pretty much the same thing, minus packaging, colour and scent.
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I disagree fully. I've used all 3 and all a bit different.



Maybe they were all designed by the same group of chemists? :o



And I don't like using Wolfgang on customer cars due to its mediocre durability. I'd rather use #16 and know they'll be happy for months. :)
 
And its a good thing I have 1 of the 3 IF they are all the same. But chemically they are not exactly the same product. They must be different in some giant or minute way. :D
 
BillNorth said:
Take these two descriptions of UPP and WG on the Autogeek website and the descriptiojn for BF on CMA. All sound very similar to me.



UPP:



Take these polymers down to their molecular level and you’d see they are comprised of a crystal-like structure, which reflects light outward. This diamond-effect is what is responsible for the intense shine achieved with Platinum. Light bounces through these mini-prisms, giving the shine a depth and dimension more illuminating and optically clear, than even the best carnauba wax. The protection and reflective finish last for months!



WG:



The crystal-like structure yields an incredible, vivid shine, not a sterile, surface shine. The crystals refract light much like high-quality diamonds. Not only are the super polymers specialized for surface enhancement, but they make application a breeze.



Here is the BF description from CMA:



These polymers have a crystal structure that refracts light, similar to a diamond, to create the same liquid, shimmer that only the very best carnauba waxes create. Some of my notebook entries on our final formula tests list: “Sterile shine gone!� “Hard edges around water spots reduced.� “Paint glows and ripples like it is underwater.� “Reflection of sky shows remarkable clarity & vividness. Looks like a Monet painting.�.



You can draw your own conclusions, as I already have.
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:xyxthumbs They general look from each is really not that different as I recall. Maybe there's a general base they have and they just add things (more oils, less oils, more solvents, less solvents) whatever.



If that's the case I want my own sealant. I'm sure if I get a few people on here to like it I can sell quite a bit. :nixweiss Maybe make my own thread acting like I just stumbled across the product? :nixweiss :p ;)
 
BF and 4-Star UPP the same?
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I've used BF and UPP side-by-side on the same car. They're different in many respects. Not all *that* different perhaps (it's not a Zaino vs. Blitz difference), but they're a long way from being the same thing.



Heh heh, Patrick and I don't disagree about which one's best because of how they smell :D
 
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