Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection

6 months in all reality IMO, is a little extreme. Now maybe my "protection" criteria is a little extreme but for me, if it aint slick and doesnt tightly bead water, its time for some more. (Doesnt mean its not protecting, I just like it slick and beading) Although never using #26, I can say with certainty, UPP will outlast the CMW and S100. Its been a while (years actualy)since I have used BAFPP but I would think if you didnt like BF, you wont like UPP then.
 
I like it... I just don't love it.



Maybe not 6 months... but the dad's car is parked in an industrial so gets some unpleasant chemical fall out. I had AFPP on it and within about a month the beading and sheeting had gone and the car was a pain to dry. This is compared to the 476S that's currently on it, is still beading well at three months under the same conditions. I'd like a 20-30 dollar sealant that'll do the job of 476S but look better and so far (from pictures so I couldn't tell 100%) Zaino and UPGP seems like they more than fit the bill but the costs get more than I want to spend! I'd much rather get a used text book than a bottle of UPGP.



The three nubas I listed were for the looks. I had to "complete" the AFPP look by putting it over CG's EZ Creme glaze or under a layer of nuba.
 
I absolutely love UPP. Bar-none, the most slickest LSP out there...Looks great on any color (UPP and Pinnacle PG are still my favorites for silver). Slickness does die off after a wash or two along with the "beading" characteristics but it so damn easy to apply (or use the system's QD/spray sealant for slickness return).



It's kinda funny to see that UPP was the rage a couple of years ago...Heck, it was the KAIO + UPP combo that really got me. Nowadays, it just seems to fly under the radar with release of new products every month :)
 
MCA said:
I absolutely love UPP. Bar-none, the most slickest LSP out there...Looks great on any color (UPP and Pinnacle PG are still my favorites for silver). Slickness does die off after a wash or two along with the "beading" characteristics but it so damn easy to apply (or use the system's QD/spray sealant for slickness return).



It's kinda funny to see that UPP was the rage a couple of years ago...Heck, it was the KAIO + UPP combo that really got me. Nowadays, it just seems to fly under the radar with release of new products every month :)
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Very true, but i stil use UPP for 95% of my work. I totally agree with your last sentence, kind of funny isnt it?
 
UPP great product for the money! Easy to use. And like the other poster said UPP was the rage a couple years ago.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Name me a product whos slickness doesnt drop off after a few weeks!!
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DG 105 and/or AW



I used to use FMJ which is painted in a similar light as UPP but I got tired of the bonding finickiness and the lack of slickness after a week or so.



105 doesn't look anywhere as good as FMJ though... Trade offs...
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
.. for me, if it aint slick and doesnt tightly bead water, its time for some more. (Doesnt mean its not protecting, I just like it slick and beading)..
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Same here. But I've used UPP (and BF) on quick-to-oxidize single stage and yeah, it protected for a while after the slickness dropped off. Not as long as Collinite 476S though, not by a long shot.





I don't find the slickness/beading to drop off until after a couple of washes though....mere passage of time doesn't cause the slickness/beading to diminish IME.



.. I would think if you didnt like BF, you wont like UPP then.
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They're pretty similar products, at least generally speaking, but BF definitely darkens the paint quite a bit and UPP doesn't. That could be a big deal for some people.
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
UPP was actually revised last year due to VOC's. I totally agree with the original poster. Its a great products in my arsenal, and is the most frequently used synthetic I have. It just provides stellar slickness, compliments any color paint, and has above average protection.

The UPPS is just as easy to use and again, great slickness/protection. I even use the Ult Tire Gel on faded trim. Very versatile line of products.
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Excellent product IMHO. Easy on. Easy off. A great topper for for more durable protectants for even longer protection.

I have not tried the VOC compliant version but the old version serves me well.
 
Good point mr Z/28. Put a more durable, super slick sealant on first (two coats) and chuck on UPP over that



Good idea to be selective about car shampoo as well

Too many of them draw the slickness away from the paint.

I've culled my list of shampoo's down to two even though the others on the list clean great, they do something to the slickness, LSP, don't linger long enough or dry out ext trims.
 
SVR said:
Good point mr Z/28. Put a more durable, super slick sealant on first (two coats) and chuck on UPP over that
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Huh?



I'm sorry, but that completely defeats the purpose imo. 2 coats of a longer lasting sealant and top with UPP???? I don't get it.



If you are going to go through all that trouble why bother with upp in the first place? It's main advantage is ease of use, application and removal. You are taking that advantage away if you have to put down 2 layers of another more difficult to work with sealant.
 
I've said it heaps of times, Fireglaze DS.

lasts 12 months with virtually no slickness loss easily here in Australia

Toughest sealant I have come across

I've got others that last as long but FG is used alot.



Don't expect looks from a sealant, its just a protective product

What the hell is it going to do when it's just lightly applied and left to bond.

It's not a cleaner, polish, glaze or anything like that.



You get the look you want through the prepwork

It's only wax that can improve looks.

Now I haven't tried every sealant but no looks improvement is the norm with those I've tested
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Huh?



I'm sorry, but that completely defeats the purpose imo. 2 coats of a longer lasting sealant and top with UPP???? I don't get it.



If you are going to go through all that trouble why bother with upp in the first place? It's main advantage is ease of use, application and removal. You are taking that advantage away if you have to put down 2 layers of another more difficult to work with sealant.
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Although I've never done it, a number of people here have been happy topping KSG with UPP. The KSG provides long-term protection (though I'd use a lot more than two coats myself) and the UPP provides a more carnuaba-like appearance and greatly increased slickness.



The UPP would presumably also provide an additional sacrificial layer, taking the brunt of environmental abuse and helping the KSG last even longer than it usually does.



When refreshing the UPP (e.g., to maintain the slickness), the ease of use would be greatly appreciated.



Again, I've never done this, but I can see why some others do.
 
Accumulator said:
Although I've never done it, a number of people here have been happy topping KSG with UPP. The KSG provides long-term protection (though I'd use a lot more than two coats myself) and the UPP provides a more carnuaba-like appearance and greatly increased slickness.



The UPP would presumably also provide an additional sacrificial layer, taking the brunt of environmental abuse and helping the KSG last even longer than it usually does.



When refreshing the UPP (e.g., to maintain the slickness), the ease of use would be greatly appreciated.



Again, I've never done this, but I can see why some others do.
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Good points.



It makes sense that even if you spend longer using a longer last, more difficult to apply/remove sealant and top that with UPP, the UPP's ease of use would make it easier to maintain that top coat.
 
I'm getting tempted right now to top KSG with UPPP. I'm on my last coat of KSG on a car in the garage.



The UPPP is so easy to apply/buff, I can just reapply it every few weeks, if necessary - assuming the protection underneath it doesn't wear away that rapidly. Hopefully the KSG will provide that.



I think that's better than using Souveran over the KSG. Perhaps not as good looking, but I'm looking for protection for my DD without compromising too much in looks.
 
I really like UPP, but when i use it, i know i will need to re apply it soon if i want to feel that slickness again, so i feel z8 is a better choice, it looks as good, almost as slick, and is easier to use.
 
zzzzdoc said:
I'm getting tempted right now to top KSG with UPPP. I'm on my last coat of KSG on a car in the garage..
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I'd get five or six layers of KSG on there before you top it, but that's just me.
 
Accumulator said:
I'd get five or six layers of KSG on there before you top it, but that's just me.
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Gave up at three layers. Really hate removing that stuff.



WAF limits my garage time. Have to displace her car to get mine in the garage.



I actually topped it with Souveran. So, basically, I've relegated myself to topping it with wax on a regular basis. This will work fine as long as I don't get too many water spots that don't come off easily, forcing me to remove finish and start from scratch. That's usually my biggest problem down here with the DDs.
 
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