FK 1000P vs. Collinite 476S

Bill D

Hooked For Life
I'm getting back in the loop regarding LSPs and these two are new to me. I've seen them mentioned recently. They seem to be directly competing products in terms of claims of product durability.



Check out the product descriptions:



Finish Kare 1000P Hi-Temp Paste Wax, high melt polymer car wax, Finish care auto wax



and



Collinite Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476



I'd be looking for something great for my wheels, and maybe to help me survive the high summer heat months. Do you prefer one over the other and why?
 
Bill, I've got both and use both. I have a preference towards the 1000p product. I think it has the edge in terms of durability, certainly in terms of gloss, assuming that's what you're after.



If you search, there's loads of recent discussion on the 1000p product. It's a winner!



BTW, great to see you back :bigups
 
I've got 476 but haven't tried 1000P yet. I do like the warm, wet glow of 476 and the beading is outstanding. Not sure it is truly non-cleaning and layerable like they say on Autogeek though. It will remove tar splatters pretty easily. Maybe it cures hard enough that a second layer doesn't remove the first layer completely. :nixweiss



However, one application should give you pretty good protection.
 
Hey Tom! Great to see you too! Thanks for the word on the 1000P. I'd definitely like high gloss and I'll do more research into it



Thank you too, Scott. The 476's added benefit of tar removal sounds like a plus for sure!
 
I have and use both. I think its a toss up. For non-detailing people, I always recommend 845 or 476s and don't mention FK1000P because of the trim-safeness and tight beading. Here's how I'd break it down:



476s:

- tighter, better beading

- single coat gives some of the best protection out there, better than a single coat of FK1000P by multiple weeks (for me)

- trim safe. Intentionally apply it to your trim and sleep easy.



FK1000P:

- huge jar of it for about the same price as 476s

- high temp property is a plus for my black car in the sun

- doesn't leave as much miscellaneous dirt on the surface after rain; seems to rinse cleaner naturally



I use FK1000p on my black car that sits outside in the south. However, I don't like having to be careful when applying it for trim. And it actually seems to dust a little bit, builds up in the crevices, etc. Leaves a very nice glossly look to the paint - hard to describe but others have done it already. A freshly waxed FK1000P car looks great.



476s - well you get a lot less than FK1000P, but let's be honest, a jar of it will last you many years doing your regular cars. I like that I can apply it to trim without worry. And I love the beading - it's like the water is afraid of the paint. 476s goes on my wife's daily driver, which is garage-kept. It lasts a loooong time - I have some on right now that I applied 11 weeks ago and it might as well have been 11 hours ago. As a plus, it seems to have some minor filling ability.



Overall I think I'd choose 476s between the two. But for $30, you could have both and probably 10+ years of wax supply for a couple of cars.



Unfortunately I didn't throw FK1000P into my current 8-way wax test. However, I'm going to split a car in half this summer and do a FK1000P v. 476s challenge whenever my current coat of 845 + FK1000P wears off.
 
IME, the beading of FK1000 (and the durability) go from "eh" to "whoa" after a second coat. One coat I would probably prefer 476s, but with two coats FK1000 wins, imo.
 
Thanks for all the feedback, guys!



extrabolts said:
However, I'm going to split a car in half this summer and do a FK1000P v. 476s challenge whenever my current coat of 845 + FK1000P wears off.



It'll be really interesting to see the results!
 
Picus said:
IME, the beading of FK1000 (and the durability) go from "eh" to "whoa" after a second coat.



Dead-on :xyxthumbs Highly accurate description! That 2nd coad is essential to get the full effect.
 
Yeah, what Picus said :xyxthumbs





Bill D- Everthing got covered pretty well while I was offline with a power outage.



Other than the issue of looks, use on extremely compromised paint, and situations where I can only apply one coat, FK1000P has completely replaced 476S for me, and you know what a fan of 476S I used to be.



Gotta be a little careful about layering FK1000P though, lest you get pseudo holograms from a solvent effect. Not as big an issue as with 476S though, not by a long shot.
 
Accumulator- glad you're back online. Yeah, I knew what a big 476 guy you were so hearing you switch to FK is noteworthy.



Maybe I can avoid any hologramming by waiting 24 hours + between the first and second layer?
 
Bill D said:
Maybe I can avoid any hologramming by waiting 24 hours + between the first and second layer?



I'd read that FK recommended just a few hours and that others found that sufficient. So I waited 24 to be on the safe side. Did numerous coats on the Yukon XLD with a 24 to 48 hr intervals. Thought all was well. Let time pass....with the vehicle mothballed in the shop. Then one day I pulled it out to move things around and in *just* the right (sun)light I saw pseudo holograms. Yikes! Pulled it into the shop, washed it, and inspected with the SunGun, and, well...spent a long, long time buffing them away with lots of FK425 and my softest MFs.



Now I wait until at least the next regularly scheduled wash, which for me and be a while. I waited a month or so with the beater-Tahoe and it was perfectly OK in the meantime. While the second coat *is* amost mandatory for stellar results, it's not like there's some huge issue with only having one on there for a while.
 
Ok, thanks. I was thinking to use it just for my wheels, which ought to be plenty fine. I can wait a decent amount of time between coats just on them.
 
Bill - ime there are only a couple ways to get FK1000 on without it smearing. Either wait for the first coat to dry completely (and then it can be difficult to remove), wait 6+ hours, or get ready to use a ton of QD to remove the smearing. :/



Even with that con I prefer it to 476s though. Normally what I do is apply, and then when I re-wash the car (even two weeks later), apply a second coat. It seems to work just as well as two coats over two days.
 
Going the wait till next wash to apply the second coat sounds like the easiest route. I'll be sure to keep it in mind. It's something extra to look forward to after the car is clean again :D
 
I give 1000p the nod for shine , but would have to disagree on the durability issues with 476s or even 845 . They seem to last better for me at least . I do some Collinite work in fall and am set for winter . I do not like the issues with 1000p such as lack of dirt shedding compared to Collinite , the trim staining , white residue in cracks and on trim if you are not very careful.



Don't get me wrong I love the 1000p and FK products but its a PIA to work with. I have always been impressed with the the look of it and if you do regular carwashes or waterless washes it's great , but if you are a carwash user (which i am , because I am an owner) and harsher detergents are used the Collinite ability to stand up to that is superior .
 
Fallguy- Was that with multiple applications or just one?



Anyhow, that's just one more example of YMMV! My experiences were exactly the opposite (even had the various products on the same vehicle at one point) but that's just what happened for me...*my* experience sure doesn't have anything to do with yours :grinno: I'm just glad that we both found the right stuff for our respective situations.



I do wish I knew why our mileage varies so much though! I was so sold on 476S that I bought a case of pre-VOC, only to switch to the FK :rolleyes:
 
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