First Time Z User vs. Black Tahoe Z71

Miami_Sunset said:
I agree with #1,2,3 why should i pay so much money on something that will take me 4-5 days to complete. I mean come on ! :bawling: Everyone seems to compare anything Zaino has & embrace on how good it works. When in fact all your doing right is the prep. After that anything looks just as good. I also believe that becasue people spend so much money on the products they migh as well think positive and join the Z' Crowd. :horse & yes All these Z user are Annoying & can't wait to add a positive comment about everything zaino has to offer. :shifty:
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it shouldnt take anyone 3-4 days.

with one layer of z5 on my black i was very very happy.

and with the help of zfx u can layer 3 times in one day. i think some of us WISH the products we own were capable of that.

we all know how good nattys looks. but the second is just bliss right. well with zaino its sorta like that.

i think that the zaino users who over do it with more than 5 layers are ridiculous and wasting product.
 
joyriide1113 said:
it shouldnt take anyone 3-4 days.

with one layer of z5 on my black i was very very happy.

and with the help of zfx u can layer 3 times in one day. i think some of us WISH the products we own were capable of that.
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I think 3-4 days is really a long time to detail a car. However, if you look at the size of MGM's truck and the number of steps he performed it's understandable. There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it comes to detailing (i.e. as you continue to spend more time the amount it adds to the finished product becomes less and less).

Also, I'm really not interested in layering or the ability to do so. IMO layering adds little or nothing with most LSPs especially when you exceed two layers of the same product.
 
mgm2003 said:
This detail was done over the course of 4-5 days.
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You guys really think he spent 8 hrs a day X4 (32 hrs) or X5 (40hrs) days to Zaino his truck. Great real!!!!
No matter how long it actually took, He put in stress reducing time bonding with his vehicles...priceless!

I'll spend 2-3 days detailing my vehicles
Friday - wash it - 1.5 hours.
Saturday - Polish it w/PC... 1/2 hr, Zaino it 10 minutes to apply, mow lawn, wipe off 10 minutes. Wheel Wax (love the smell) the chrome wheels 15 minutes.
Sunday - Z6 it - 10 minutes. Maybe shampoo the carpeted mats 15 minutes.
...That's the time to do the mini van. The Vette is only a 1 1/2 hour total wash/dry/Zaino/detail job.

Yep, Zaino takes too much work!

Later,
JU
 
Guys, you're confusing 'prep' time with 'Zaino' time. It took me just as long to prep the Tahoe 6 months ago when I used another sealer brand. The days I spent on the Tahoe had absolutely nothing to do with applying Zaino. The actual Zaino application didn't take any longer than any other sealer that has a cure time, other than the 90 seconds that I had to shake the 2 oz bottle of sealer. Jeez, Zaino sure does cause some debate on the boards, and I really don't understand why. I'm pretty sure that if I did a half a## job on prep, the results would have been different. I'm a FIRM believer that proper prep is key for ANY topper. In the case of Z, it's different than any topper that I've ever used, and I'm very happy with the results.
 
Originally posted by mgm2003
Jeez, Zaino sure does cause some debate on the boards, and I really don't understand why
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The very large, bold font used in your first post may have something to do with the direction this thread has taken. Makes it appear like you're yelling.
 
The time you take to prep = your end result. The results on all the vehicles was beautiful, the van took on a look of it's own and the cadddy is beautiful and so is the tahoe :bigups for having the energy to do the work and then taking the time to post.Congrats to you.
 
pogo123:Sorry for the large font. DC has been locking up on my PC, so I've been using MS Word & copy/paste in case my session locks up. (LOL). The funny thing is.... I don't see a large font when I read the post. Maybe I stirred up the soup on accident.
 
mgm2003 said:
pogo123:Sorry for the large font. DC has been locking up on my PC, so I've been using MS Word & copy/paste in case my session locks up. (LOL). The funny thing is.... I don't see a large font when I read the post. Maybe I stirred up the soup on accident.
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Nah. I think you did it on purpose. :stick

Actually, the controversy does seem to really follow Zaino.
Even when it is an objective review such as yours, it seems like it touches a nerve in many people.
Heaven forbid that one would ever not agree that Zaino is the greatest and other products will do just fine.
FWIW, I have used it, thought it was a good product, but it didn't convert me.
Lots of products I have used have given me very good results. As has been said many times, the prep is the important part.
As far as longevity, I seem to think I need to apply something every month or so and I really don't know how long any product lasts.
Heck, I was even satisfied with Meguiar's Medallion for years and the GURU Wax test sure didn't think much of it. (Or any other Meguiar's product for that matter which is one reason I didn't put a lot of stock in the Wax test)
The best tester/judge is you. If the product works and looks good for you, go for it. I know two people that use OTC products with good results. Meg's Gold Class liquid for one, TW's Finish 2001 for the other. I never inspect their vehicles, but parked in a parking lot, they look pretty darn good.
Easy to use has a lot of merit. If the product is a chore, many people will use it once, then leave it on the shelf. Doesn't do the car much good there.

Charles
 
MGM it's not that you "stirred the soup" so to say, it just seems that anytime anyone posts anything with Zaino in the thread it works like a full moon and people get all wierd, I don't know why.

As for those that were saying on how long the detail took
This detail was done over the course of 4-5 days. I spent the majority of my time on the polishing steps. The Z application was a piece of cake.
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Thats just means he took him time, and majority of it was the prep. I know that it has taken me 2 days to do mine, because I'll stop to do other things as well.

Mgm, I am curios (now looking back) at the combo that you used to wash.
Any reason for the APC?
Wash: Optimum Car wash, with Vinegar/APC mix.
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"J"
 
Wouldn't the APC be just as harmful?
What I mean is if you were using enough to be fully effective. I don't know how much of either concentrated or diluted a solution you used in your wash.
Just curious

"J"
 
mgm2003 said:
APC = degreaser. I'm not putting dawn on my paint.
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I'm not sure why Sal insists that you use Dawn prior to using Zaino for the first time. You're going to polish first anyway and that would get rid of anything already on the paint.
mgm2003 said:
Jeez, Zaino sure does cause some debate on the boards, and I really don't understand why.
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I don't think it was you who stirred up anything bold type or not. I think Charles had it right. Zaino touches a nerve with some people. Mainly because of the Zaino zealots feeling they need to defend their product over other products to the death. It's impossible to say anything remotely negative about Zaino without one of their users (even some of the nicer ones) jumping all over you.
 
Off topic..... did my post really come across the line in bold? I've checked on my home PC, work laptop, and my neighbors pc, and nothing is coming over the line in bold. Or.. is this some more fun with Z fanatics? (LOL). This post has been entertaining for sure!

Here's another few shots.. Yes, I'm loving Z on black paint!
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Yes, your first post was in large, bold type face. I don't think any of the posts after that were though.

BTW, I noticed one of the polishes you used was Menzerna 106. I've been kicking around the idea of buying some of this. However, I have some reasons why I haven't already bought a bottle:

1. I have a fresh bottle of FPII
2. It would take me forever to use 32 oz of polish (does this stuff go bad? I thought I read a post that said these new Menz polishes have an expiration date on the bottle or something)
3. It's $50 a bottle

Anyway, I'm curious to hear what you think of 106 and if you could make some comparisons between it and FPII since I'm familiar with FPII already.

This thread has been fun and the banter snappy. I think part of what makes this thread so interesting (and many other detailing threads as well) is that not every product is right for every consumer. A product I like and works well for me may not be a good product for your use. Unfortunately, there are a lot of detailing enthusiasts/pros who declare a product "the best" and cannot step outside themselves enough to see it might not be the right product for another person's needs. I'm not talking about Zaino in particular in this case, but rather detailing enthusiasts/pros in general.
 
Qoute=Mikeyc I have a fresh bottle of FPII
2. It would take me forever to use 32 oz of polish (does this stuff go bad? I thought I read a post that said these new Menz polishes have an expiration date on the bottle or something)
3. It's $50 a bottle

If someond knows the answer to this please respond. i am sittin two 32oz bottles of po85rd. :realmad:
 
joe.p said:
If someond knows the answer to this please respond. i am sittin two 32oz bottles of po85rd. :realmad:
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I could be 100% wrong, but I thought I read a post that said this either here or someplace else.
 
My Firefox browser does show your post as large and bold, and I remember thinking that it looks like you're yelling when I read it. I do agree with the others that it's more the "Z" and less the font that's the problem though. Also, I forgot to mention nice job on the vehicles, they do look great! :bigups
 
Mikeyc said:
I'm not sure why Sal insists that you use Dawn prior to using Zaino for the first time. You're going to polish first anyway and that would get rid of anything already on the paint.
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Think of Dawn as no more than a highly concentrated wash. One Dawn wash every time you strip down your products to try new ones will NOT adversly affect your finish. Many people use APC, Vinegar, Degreaser, heavier concentrations of wash, stronger washes, etc...Dawn is no different here. Plus, you use it in the kitchen and it touches your hands...Its not that bad.

The main reason Sal suggests it is to remove any wax that is left over. If you haven't noticed, Sal suggests a completely clean surface so that there are NO bonding issues for Z. Dawn helps this out for people who don't use polish.

To address the clay thing that will come up...Clay may remove wax, but will not remove all of sealants. I have clayed my 'sealed' paints many times and had it bead like mad afterwards, denoting protection still remaining.



I don't think it was you who stirred up anything bold type or not. I think Charles had it right. Zaino touches a nerve with some people. Mainly because of the Zaino zealots feeling they need to defend their product over other products to the death. It's impossible to say anything remotely negative about Zaino without one of their users (even some of the nicer ones) jumping all over you.
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See my sig for this...
 
joe.p said:
If someond knows the answer to this please respond. i am sittin two 32oz bottles of po85rd. :realmad:
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I emailed CMA to ask about shelf life of these polishes. This was their response.
 
MGM,

Truck looks great! I also saw your Caddy in another thread and that also looks great!

If you want to use Z, that's your choice! It gives you the results you are looking for and that's what counts! In the long run, even if it takes you 20 hours to detail your car or truck, you'll still be happy of the work you did!

Some poeple like Z and some don't, what can you do?! :D
 
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