First time I can't correct it...

I agree with the Ultrafina. Nothing will finish better on these finicky black GM paints then Ultrafina. You also want to use a soft pads that do not bite when correcting and keep the pad wet at all time or you will get marring on this type of paint.



Honda paint is soft but very easily correctable. It's in a different league. GM paint can marr with a MF if rubbed to hard. Once a process is learned it is easy and fast to work with. The hardest pad I would ever put on it is a soft polish pad.
 
I don't seem to understand what you guys are talking about, because I find that GM paint is very hard and very thin. That's why 100% scratch removal is not achieveable.





John
 
David Fermani said:
If you have a soft paint condition (from improper repaint), it really can't be permanently corrected. Even if you finish down swirl free after buffing, you'll never fix the problem at hand. It will probably last just a few washes before the finish becomes micro swirled again (not referring to buffer trails). It's really just a temporary band-aide. The harder you cut into it the soft surface, the more deep marring you'll create, making it harder to finish down on. This would definitely be a vehicle you'd want to keep wool pads & heavy cut compounds away from.



ScubaStevo - Do you ever use wool pads? Instead of using 2 types of heavy compounds with foam, you could use a less aggressive one with wool and have a better, cleaner cut. The pictures you posted (on the panels w/o soft paint) look like they have some moderate RIDS that could potentially be removed with wool. It's always better to utilize the least amount of steps possible (least harsh approach) when doing defect removal. You could potentially create a better finish by using wool/heavy polish than foam/heavy compound. There would be less finessing needed to remove defects. You'll also have an easier time finishing down too by creating less marring due to the effects of the pad, not the compound.
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I use wool a lot on my personal jobs, but I tend to not use it on dealership polishes. (Thats what these are, so probably why I`m not going crazy on RIDS.
 
rydawg said:
some of the solid non metallic blacks are on the soft side. It's more finicky then soft. Now GM metallics are hard.
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I worked on an '08 G6 black non-metallic today. The paint was hard as a rock. I guess the soft factor doesn't apply across the board for GM's non-metallics. It kicked my butt. :nixweiss
 
mshu7 said:
I worked on an '08 G6 black non-metallic today. The paint was hard as a rock. I guess the soft factor doesn't apply across the board for GM's non-metallics. It kicked my butt. :nixweiss
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Your talking about the new Pontiac? Customer is lucky then.

There are a few out there that are hard but they are rare. I hope GM fixes their awful easy to marr black paints.



What were you using?
 
rydawg said:
Your talking about the new Pontiac? Customer is lucky then.

There are a few out there that are hard but they are rare. I hope GM fixes their awful easy to marr black paints.



What were you using?
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don't mean to side track just to show what you guys mean, i marred the hood of a black 2003 grand am gt while applying a final coat of hand wax with a microfiber. i don't know what had gotten into the towel, it seemed like it was soft and clean but i left a ton of swirls that i had to go back and fix.



gm paint sucks. it tends to look like orange peel through the clear and obviously mars quite easily.
 
rydawg said:
Your talking about the new Pontiac? Customer is lucky then.

There are a few out there that are hard but they are rare. I hope GM fixes their awful easy to marr black paints.



What were you using?
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Yes, this was an 08 G6 that was a rental so it had about 18K miles on it. I'll post pics in the C&B tomorrow so keep your eye out.



I was using a Makita, Edge light cut green wool, and OP. I followed it up with the Makita, LC grey finishing pad, and OP. I'm still learning the rotary so I'm not sure if that was the best combo, but it at least made it look better. I only had time for a 2-step polish because the car was getting everything else done as well. It belongs to a friend of mine so it's probably not the last time I'll see it. The paint literally looked like the rental place had been washing it with a wheel brush you'd find at the DIY places. My pics don't even do it justice.



Harbison215 said:
don't mean to side track just to show what you guys mean, i marred the hood of a black 2003 grand am gt while applying a final coat of hand wax with a microfiber. i don't know what had gotten into the towel, it seemed like it was soft and clean but i left a ton of swirls that i had to go back and fix.



gm paint sucks. it tends to look like orange peel through the clear and obviously mars quite easily.
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That sucks! I had a 2000 Grand Am GT that was white. The paint was hard as a rock. Honestly, it seems that every GM that I've worked on has been the same way. I hate working on them.



The other thing that sucked about the G6 was the crappy carpet. It was like trunk carpeting. It didn't like being vacuumed and even after steam cleaning, it didn't look any better. I hate working on GM vehicles, if I hadn't mentioned that already.
 
Harbison215 said:
don't mean to side track just to show what you guys mean, i marred the hood of a black 2003 grand am gt while applying a final coat of hand wax with a microfiber. i don't know what had gotten into the towel, it seemed like it was soft and clean but i left a ton of swirls that i had to go back and fix.



gm paint sucks. it tends to look like orange peel through the clear and obviously mars quite easily.
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You have to use the best MF's for these paints. It also has to be inside a dust free garage too. I would never work on these finicky GM blacks outside.



I own a black escalade and it is a nightmare. The wind and sand is marring the hell out of it today. I miss my rock hard paints:bow
 
rydawg said:
You have to use the best MF's for these paints. It also has to be inside a dust free garage too. I would never work on these finicky GM blacks outside.



I own a black escalade and it is a nightmare. The wind and sand is marring the hell out of it today. I miss my rock hard paints:bow
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No doubt. I`m sick of working on black GM`s...
 
I ended up fixing the truck. Wetsanded the entire side...I guess they were VERY deep. Odd thing is, my previous combination created a perfect finish. Odd...
 
rydawg said:
You have to use the best MF's for these paints. It also has to be inside a dust free garage too. I would never work on these finicky GM blacks outside.



I own a black escalade and it is a nightmare. The wind and sand is marring the hell out of it today. I miss my rock hard paints:bow
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a dust free garage is like an oxymoron to me. 2 over nights stays in my place and you will have a fine coating of the "yellow stuff"...in the spring its even worse, the pollen just attaches to black like no other.
 
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